30 June, 2008...2:47 pm

Civility and logic from our righty friends

By Ant Rogenous
Cross-posted at GrodsCorp

Anyone silly enough to bother with Timmeh Blair’s blog nowadays might have noticed this fatuous little dig at a recent post by Kim at Larvatus Prodeo.

Let’s contrast that with the overwhelmingly lovely, heartwarming and not-in-any-way-despicable behaviour of several of his good mate Andy’s BoltStrokers™ over here, commenting on the news that Gough Whitlam is in hospital. 

Pompous git will only be missed by the Labor nostalgics.
kevin of Armidale

  

Um, who cares? He was wasted space as a politician now he’s wasting space in a hospital bed. The sooner these overinflated egos are off the public nipple the better.
Craigresides of Newbridge

   

Nothing trivial I hope – this bastard ruined my Australia.
An Australia I lost a father and a grandfather to in trying to save it from external tyranny only to be betrayed from within by this…
Hell will be too good for him.
Lawrie of Sydney

   

May he suffer the long and painful death that he and his ilk have inflicted on Zimbabwe in supporting terrorism in Rhodesia.
Mournful of Brisbane

  

If it is terminal, it is 38 years too late to help any one.
Parlirama of Dural

 

Thank heavens for “conservatives” — politics would be a filthy arena without their shining example to guide us all.

 

139 Comments

  • Have a look at this exchange from today under the Darwin/Evolution post… Andrew (correctly) characterises his “base” as “gay-baiting homophobes”

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/darwin_knew_evolution_is_no_threat_to_god/

    Never a truer word (accidentally) spoken

    Expect that post pulled down shortly

  • Gutless wonders, gleeful at the thought of an old man’s mortality.

    Oh Bolt’s caged monkeys, so predictable and scornful. Even though it can never be tested, I would wager good money on the fact that if Bolt had have editorialised something along the nature of “well, I disagreed with his policies but I wish him and his family well”, the nature of his monkeys’ responses to his column would be in-step with their fearless leader.

  • The irony is that those righties most likely feel the same way about Malcolm Fraser.

  • Tom – Isn’t Bolt agnostic? If he is, that is a strange post, especially from someone who is so apparently proud of being “rational”.

  • Darren of Brisbane

    If ever there was proof needed that Bolt’s “blogging” amounts to little more than rattling the cages of his monkeys so he can watch them fling their own shit around, then the Whitlam post surely is it.

    Also of note, the general reasoning offered for the tone of the responses. Something along the lines of… if it was Howard, then The Left would be doing the same thing.

    Pathetic.

  • Contrast this with the (often-justifiable) howls of outrage from the monkeys when misguided lefties mocked Timmeh’s cancer. Haven’t they heard of the Golden Rule?

    FWIW, I wouldn’t celebrate if Howard was ill. That’s because playing the ball, not the man, is what political debate should be about, and because someone’s death is not an occasion for celebration.

    All those Bolt commenters are a disgrace, not only to their own side of politics, but to humanity.

  • If Howard was 91 and ill in hospital, he would certainly receive my condolences.

  • Here is some more right wing compassion displayed to Qld Premier Anna Bligh after she hit her head while jogging.

    Imagine if someone said half of this if Johnnie fell over on his morning walk …

  • I agree, some of the comments over at Bolt’s site are appalling.

    Unfortunately, no more appalling than some of the comments on Left wing sites. Marieke Hardy, anyone?

    This isn’t to condone, but let’s be honest, people post offensive crap on both sides, so the outrage here is so much thespian noise.

  • Abu Chowdah
    30 June, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Well done Abu – Ant and the rest should not be allowed to get away with this ‘thespian’ outrage.

    Now that you’ve set everyone here straight, I assume you’ll be ducking over to Blair’s blog and doing the same….right ??

  • “This isn’t to condone, but let’s be honest, people post offensive crap on both sides, so the outrage here is so much thespian noise.”

    Absolutely true – but hilarity ensues when the same people vigorously agree with Bolt’s claim that “the right” are the only decent, compassionate people out there.

    Bad stuff happens on both sides. It’s the hypocrisy that’s beyond tolerance.

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    “…the overwhelmingly lovely, heartwarming and not-in-any-way-despicable behaviour of several of his good mate Andy’s BoltStrokers™…”

    exactly. none so blind as those who exihibit mass hypocrisy. i do love the trade-marked term though.

    the other issue i noticed is some of the bolt sheep criticising whitlam for being admitted to private hospital!! these no doubt are the same fools who think the private system should be propped up by taxpayers’ rebates to householders rather than let the system stand on its own two feet and cried foul when the govt deigned to increase the income threshold for the medicare surcharge. and i suppose if whitlam had of gone into the public system they would have a crack at him for that too. amazing. tim blair for once got it right: THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE.

    “people post offensive crap on both sides, so the outrage here is so much thespian noise.”

    abu i do not see this as a ‘left’ / ‘right’ thing nor a thespian/audience thing. i have conservative friends who are nothing like the sheep at bolt’s, who have far more thought processing capacity. yet i went to uni with lefty colleagues who were every bit as rabid as bolt and his sheep. for me this is a blair/bolt issue and the fact that they simply projectile vomit at their blog and have their sheep respond by throwing turds rather than encouraging and eliciting meangingful discussion-based posts. in the case of the whitlam thread, there isn’t even any ‘opinion’ given by bolt, such was his confidence that the mere mention of ‘whitlam’ and ‘ill’ in the same sentance would be enough to elicit the sort of hatred, vile jealousy and petty inconsequential offerings from his sheep. the old moral equivalence argument some of them used for howard haters is irrelevant in my view. howard was prime minister at the time, making decisions on behalf of us, many of which were unpopular. the equivalence if you want to draw such comparisons is with rudd as PM, not whitlam, now a private citizen and no longer in the public spotlight.

  • LOL, Bolt and his sheep at it again. But seriously, most of the Bolt brigade cannot think for themselves without Andy telling them how to think.

  • “Bad stuff happens on both sides. It’s the hypocrisy that’s beyond tolerance.”

    I agree. On both sides.

  • Well done Abu – Ant and the rest should not be allowed to get away with this ‘thespian’ outrage.

    Now that is a really clever post that underlines the futility of ranting on the internet. I wish I’d thought of that.

    Now that you’ve set everyone here straight, I assume you’ll be ducking over to Blair’s blog and doing the same….right ??

    By the time I saw the thread it had over 140 posts. Someone already beat me to it, so I merely stated that I agreed with their particular stance.

    As an aside, why is it assumed I am here to do your bidding?

    To be serious for a moment, this idea that I never call people on Blair or Bolt’s site is rubbish. I’ve done it on occasions when I thought people were being arseholes, especially on Blair’s site. Like this site, doing so doesn’t exactly make you popular. Equally, like this site, when I see people froth at the mouth, I don’t always feel the need to call them on their idiocy.

  • Once again we have a post that condemns the comments on a Bolt/Blair blog proving that this site is either A) totally incapable or B) totally afraid to address the actual writings of either Blair or Bolt.

    The added irony here is of the lamenting in a post, the “civility” of those on a Bolt/Blair blog, and then tagging it under the subheading of “cunts”.

    Truly delicious.

  • Hey Rachael, I didn’t actually see any “writing” on the Bolt blog in question to address.

    Mind pointing it out?

  • Another case of ’same shit, different arsehole’ as everyone piles on in a war of tagging the blog-owners with the vices of their commenters.

    Guilt by association is just another form of ad hominem fallacy. It is also an example of the fellatio fallacy, the belief that some people will swallow anything.

    This now seems to be the new battle ground of the blogs. The anti-Obama sites are attacking him for creepy posts by other people at his campaign website. Now we have tit-for-tat reprisals. Surely you have better things to do with your tits.

    At least in the case of “Screw Them” Kos the deranged dark heart was that of the proprietor himself. (Here is how Kos hides his dirty laundry).

  • Rachel, unlike Bolt I haven’t repeatedly implied that I’m an exemplar of civility.

    You know what’s “delicious”, though? Your apparent need to post here under several aliases — Rodney, Infidel and Rachel to name but a few.

    Something to hide?

  • Its a beautiful world we live in, a sweet, romantic place..

    Although i only skimmed through the posts regarding Whitlams health, i did see a few Boltites wagging their fingers and disapproving of the shameful joy that most of the others were experiencing.

    I must confess though, that i cheer everytime i see the footage of John Howard falling over, slipping down stairs or bowling a cricket ball. However, I would never mock and belittle a dying man. The dead have strange powers…

    If the majority of the posts regarding Whitlams health are anything to go by, most Boltites feel much the same when they see a sick old man who is slowly dying, as i do when i see film of JWH making a fool of himself(*). Yet another demonstration of the moral superiority of the Right.

    (*) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWK61KDQ0Lc&feature=related

  • “Once again we have a post that condemns the comments on a Bolt/Blair blog proving that this site is either A) totally incapable or B) totally afraid to address the actual writings of either Blair or Bolt.”

    Rachel, can you honestly argue that the “actual writings” of Blair or Blot are anything but ill-informed rant?

    Take, for example, Blair’s approach to climate change. He has no formal scientific education, but nevertheless challenges the scientific consensus regarding global warming.

    Blair’s response to a scientific study into migrating plant life (due to global warming) was this:

    “That’s why we put fences around our gardens, so the plants don’t run away.”

    You can count on Blair to address the “actual science”, and on this blog to address his “actual writings”.

  • Bolt wrote:

    “Whitlam ill”

    Rachel spewed:

    “A) totally incapable or B) totally afraid to address the actual writings of either Blair or Bolt.”

    Show us how it’s done, what’s there to address? Face it Rachel, it’s a dog whistle to his band of adoring ignorant bigots!

  • Why is the Right so full of hatred?

  • Rachel, all Bolt had to write ( a link ) ” Whitlam ill ” and he knew exactly the response he would get from his sheep.
    Dare i say that Andy is the number one troll of his own site?

  • This is why I refer to Bolt as a Dog-whistling Hansonist. He’ll almost never offer his direct opinion on a post and when you question his reason for posting it or go further and accuse him of a belief in the (usually obvious) thrust of the post or the response of his sycophants to it, he merely says “what have I said, what have I done?”

    And yet he’s apparently an “Opinion” columnist.

  • Ant,

    Why do you use a name for female reproductive organs as an insult? Are you aware of how sexist that is? Or do you just have a filthy mouth and pretend that it makes you seem mature?

    Oh wait, you used “Timmeh” too, so you also think that making fun of people with cerebral palsy is also OK.

    It amuses me that some people on the left consider themselves to be more respectful to women and the disabled and yet tolerate abusive cretins like you.

  • Your comment is awaiting moderation. WTF?

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    “Oh wait, you used “Timmeh” too, so you also think that making fun of people with cerebral palsy is also OK.”

    LOL!! here’s a tip: south park is a work of fiction. surely the cartoon nature of the show gave that fact away…?

  • Sure, confessions. However people on the left use that name to allege that Tim Blair is intellectually challenged – whereas that is not the case and people with cerebral palsy are not intellectually challenged. It is a cheap shot and shows that the people who use it are insensitive to the plight of the disabled.

  • Nic:

    I agree that it is disgusting that people (left and right political spectrum) use disabilities as a means to have a cheap shot.

    I must take you up on the issue of people with CP not being mentally disabled though.

    I work in a multiple-disabilites school and many of the kids with CP have an intellectual disability.

    This website:

    http://www.originsofcerebralpalsy.com/03-conditions/11-mental.html

    shows that 2/3 of people with CP also have an intellectual disability.

    That’s besides the point though, really. I don’t think the use of “Timmeh” is making fun of people with CP. It is simply throwing Blair’s insult back at him. After all does he not do this all the time with “Traceee”?

  • Nic, regarding your laughable accusations about my sexism and mockery of people with cerebral palsy, this isn’t the first time I’ve seen you employ this type of desperate, childish tactic. So I’ll repeat what I said to you last time you tried it on:

    Listen carefully, Nic, you humourless little Boltesque gotcha merchant: take your po-faced indignation and your tired old catchphrases about “hate” and whatnot and jam them up your frigid, water-tight freckle.

    You’re not fooling anyone.

  • Ant,

    Your foul mouth is amusing, it is useful for the rest of us as when you deploy that type of language, it shows that you have reached the limits of your intellectual capabilities.

    Assuming that by freckle you mean my anus, then, yes it is water-tight. It is supposed to be. If yours is not, then you are suffering from some form of disease – I recommend a visit to your proctologist.

  • ‘However people on the left use that name to allege that Tim Blair is intellectually challenged’. People do not need to allege Blair/Bolt are intellectually challenged. Their own writings prove that they are not just intellectually challenged but slimeballs to boot.

    What surprises me is that mental institutions for the profoundly insane offer their inmates so much time to browse the net, and that these same inmates choose Bolt/Blair cheer squad activities as therapy.

    The profoundly retarded trying to build a perpetual motion machine offer far more to the world than Bolt/Blair/Nic/Abu/etc.

  • Just as a question to the rest of the editors of this blog, does Ant’s behaviour and language concern you at all?

    Personally I would not want to be associated with someone like that.

  • Nic,

    Limits of intellectual my capabilities? Give me a break. I post a several examples of bald-faced “conservative” hatred, which flies in the face of the absurd “civilised” posturing we see at Bolt’s blog just about every day, and the best you can do is try to peg me with trumped-up claims about obscenity, sexism and mockery of the disabled?

    I refuse to respond to this kind of nonsense with anything but the utter derision it deserves.

    I do love the appeal to the other editors of this site, though — I suspect they’re adults who couldn’t care less about the shrill gotchas of a “Mum, he said shit!” fizgig like you.

    Now, go and fudge yourself.

  • I think ‘Ronald Reagun’ who posts on Bolt is one of his moderators. Any one know if this is so?

    I get SNIPPED or cut by the moderator whenever i flog the little prick. (with no foul language i might add) Extremely frustrating to not get the right of reply.

    Not only is he an idiot, he is a coward too.

    Well it takes all sorts i guess.

  • If the majority of the posts regarding Whitlams health are anything to go by, most Boltites feel much the same when they see a sick old man who is slowly dying, as i do when i see film of JWH making a fool of himself(*). Yet another demonstration of the moral superiority of the Right.

    Points for obliviousness to your own capacity for irony.

  • I refuse to respond to this kind of nonsense with anything but the utter derision it deserves.

    Good for you. I’d want to exercise a little more circumspection and reflect on my actions if I was you, too. Your record of vicious and callous behaviour in posts here speaks for itself.

  • Abu, you seem to get more confused every day. (Either that, or i do!)

    ‘Obliviousness to your own capacity for irony’
    What exactly are you talking about, are you just trying out some new ‘big’ words?
    I am happy to admit i hate JWH and all he stands for and that i enjoy seeing him make a pratt of himself.
    But that doesnt mean i would celebrate his death or illness. Where’s this steaming bowl of rich, creamy ‘irony’ you served up for me? In the immoral words of Pauline Hanson ‘Please explain?’

    ‘Your record of vicious and callous behaviour’
    Again, what the hell are you talking about? Are you suggesting that mocking a dying man is not reason enough to be insulted?
    (Dont get all ‘feminazi’ on us, even my wife calls a spade a spade and will call a cunt, well.. a cunt!)

    “All hail they who has come from the sky to deliver us from the perils of the Boltites. HAIL! HAIL! HAIL!”

  • Your wife sounds charming. Give her my regards.

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    yet more evidence of caring, civil compassion from the sheep. today’s axis of evil: transgender people on bolt’s blog. complete with a link to photos and compelling commentary about how ‘disturbed’ they are.

    the sheep responses are predictable although there are nowhere near the really vile hate-filled posts that there were for whitlam.

    bolt really has gone tabloid hasn’t he?

  • ‘Now that is a really clever post that underlines the futility of ranting on the internet. I wish I’d thought of that.’

    Yeah, I thought you’d recognise and appreciate some of your own handiwork. However, if you believe that people expressing their opinions on the internet is so pointless, then why the fuck do you bother coming here and doing the same ??

    ‘By the time I saw the thread it had over 140 posts. Someone already beat me to it, so I merely stated that I agreed with their particular stance.’

    Umm…the Blair post only has about 80 posts so far. Are you referring to Bolt’s blog ?? Geez, those big words you throw around can’t be doing you much good with piss-poor comprehension skills like those.

    ‘As an aside, why is it assumed I am here to do your bidding?’

    I don’t recall actually asking you to do anything…just assumed that you’d be keen to get over to Blair’s blog as well and tell them to stop carrying on over nothing. Had I realised you’d get all confused and end up at the wrong blog, I probably wouldn’t have said anything – hope it all wasn’t too stressful for you.

  • Yeah, I thought you’d recognise and appreciate some of your own handiwork. However, if you believe that people expressing their opinions on the internet is so pointless, then why the fuck do you bother coming here and doing the same ??

    The difference is, I’m not ranting. I’m here for the amusement.

    Umm…the Blair post only has about 80 posts so far. Are you referring to Bolt’s blog ?? Geez, those big words you throw around can’t be doing you much good with piss-poor comprehension skills like those.

    Oh. Wow. You got me there, Shane. Yes, I was referring to Bolt. Once again, your legendary intellectual agility gets the better of me. Oh me, oh my.

    Had I realised you’d get all confused and end up at the wrong blog, I probably wouldn’t have said anything – hope it all wasn’t too stressful for you.

    How can I compete with these well-aimed barbs, these intellectual zingers? You’ve certainly got my measure. I’m off to lick my wounds and to make further evil conservative schemes, doomed to fail under the weight of your frowny earnestness. Wow, you guys are, like, so smart, and stuff.

  • The thing I like about this blog (generally speaking) is that dissent is tolerated.

    More than that I thought people could have an argument and debate without getting overly personal.

    Let’s not stoop to the level of Blair’s blog (and the small-mindedness of many of his commenters) and just abuse and call people trolls who we disagree with.

  • I’d want to exercise a little more circumspection and reflect on my actions if I was you, too.

    That’s “if I were you”, Abu. Ignorance of the use of the subjunctive notwithstanding, excellent use of the thesaurus and dictionary.

    One day, if you manage to add some substance to your lip-licking, embarrassingly laboured, grandiloquent posts, you might actually impress someone other than yourself.

  • Your record of vicious and callous behaviour in posts here speaks for itself.

    Wonderful. Then I’ll thank you and Nic to stop attempting to speak for it, and instead take your disingenuousness, sanctimony and feigned indignation to a place where those things are considered a virtues.

  • agile76, trolls are people who comment just to stir up trouble, which is why I proudly label Abu a troll.

    He came into this thread, which is ab0ut the lack of civility Bolt’s fanbase have for an elderly ex-prime minister, to try and twist it back on Bolt’s imaginary “Left”.

  • I get SNIPPED or cut by the moderator</i.

    This happens to me on Blair’s blog. It started when I wrote something like:

    Too bad the sniffer dogs aren’t trained to apprehend troglodytes. They’d have a field day on this blog.

    Which came out as…

    Too bad [edited by Tran]

    Shameful.

  • Nic, you say you wouldn’t want to be associated with someone like Ant but you hang arround Timmys’ and Andys’ so called sites and their sheep.
    Talking of which, those people keep on about the terrible bias, commie, leftie media but where does Timmy and Andy get ALL their info from?

  • indignation to a place where those things are considered a virtues. [sic]

    Regards grammar and syntax I would say this is “teh” pot calling “teh” kettle black.

  • He came into this thread, which is ab0ut the lack of civility Bolt’s fanbase have for an elderly ex-prime minister, to try and twist it back on Bolt’s imaginary “Left”.

    Actually, essentially I made the observation that there is as much stupid commentary on the Left as the Right, in response to the crowing that inferred vicious comments at Bolt’s site were the province of the Right.

    My comment was not a troll, and you know it. But you also know that calling someone a troll is a lazy tactic used to dismiss anyone who disagrees with your stance.

  • excellent use of the thesaurus and dictionary.

    One day, if you manage to add some substance to your lip-licking, embarrassingly laboured, grandiloquent posts, you might actually impress someone other than yourself.

    I don’t even own a thesaurus. My vocabulary is a result of education and intellect. I had assumed yours was, too, but if you need to refer to the dictionary or thesaurus, be my guest. But please don’t project your inadequacies on others.

    To address your comments. My response to the raison d’etre of this site – pure ridicule – is appropriate and substantive. Did you really expect anyone to take this site seriously? I find it amusing and worthy of derision – though I do think that some of the people here whose views differ from mine are quite reasonable and sensible. On the other hand there are some grade-A clowns, in addition to those whose vocabularies are limited and resort to words like “fuck” and “cunt” when they reach the limits of their intellectual agility. Those people are to be despised. On the other hand, I don’t mind some of the snappy little insults like “winged-monkeys”. That one is as worthy as the term “Leftard”.

    By the way, I like your avatar. The shaven head makes you look quite xiphoid.

  • Touché, Abu.

    But I’ll take a simple typo over your turgid prose and grammatical ignorance any day.

  • Ant,

    “Wonderful. Then I’ll thank you and Nic to stop attempting to speak for it, and instead take your disingenuousness, sanctimony and feigned indignation to a place where those things are considered a virtues”

    No thanks, while you continue to post your hate filled obscenities while attacking your intellectual betters, I will continue to point out your hypocrisy. One day we may make a civilised person out of you.

  • “Touché, Abu.

    But I’ll take a simple typo over your turgid prose and grammatical ignorance any day.”

    I’m sorry, but confusing the plural with the singular is “gramatical ignorance”, not just a “simple typo”. If gramatical purity is important to you, as it seems to be, you should be more careful.

  • But I’ll take a simple typo over your turgid prose and grammatical ignorance any day.

    That’s your choice. I choose rich prose and the occasional typo over your use of obscenities.

  • I think most people would agree with you Abu, that your ability to express yourself without constant use of obscenities is vastly superior to Ant’s prose style.

  • I choose rich prose and the occasional typo over your use of obscenities.

    Like this, Abu?

    Checking equals processing, you arrogant, ignorant, sneering twat. It’s not finished until it’s finished.

    However, if people’s claims are processed to completion (and you can PROVE that) and they are STILL detained… then I absolutely agree with you.

    You fucking twat.

    Fucking hypocrite.

  • I think most people would agree with you Abu, that your ability to express yourself without constant use of obscenities is vastly superior to Ant’s prose style.

    Nic, perhaps I misjudged you — going by this hilarious comment, it seems you may have a sense of humour after all.

    Seriously, mate, you’re becoming increasingly embarrassing.

  • Abu, so what of your repeated use of the term “fucking twat” in the as heard in Bolt’s office thread?

    You do realise that ‘twat’ and ‘cunt’ mean the same thing?

    As for you Nic, how come you didn’t criticise Abu? Of course you were too busy cheer leading! Probably don’t even realise that ‘twat’ and ‘cunt’ are both derogatory terms for female genitalia?

    Do you guys practice hypocrisy? It seems you have it down pat!

    “I choose rich prose and the occasional typo over your use of obscenities.”

    So why have a shot at Ant for what was obviously a typo? More hypocrisy. LOL

  • I did not see Abu’s use of the “fucking twat”. Abu, that is bad language, almost as bad language as Ant would use. Consider yourself suitably chastised.

    Ant, if I am embarrassing you, then that is good. Perhaps you will clean up your language.

  • But Abig Chunder was sorely provoked!

  • “I did not see Abu’s use of the “fucking twat””

    LOL – He wrote it FOUR TIMES. Pay attention if you are going to participate in a thread, actually don’t, it’s amusing to watch Abu and yourself consistently make utter twits of yourselves.

  • Nic, allow me to spell out why you’re embarrassing yourself: feigning moral outrage over my occasional use of colourful language is a poor substitute for repudiating the arguments this website makes.

    At least Abu, despite his vacuous arguments and pompous prose, makes an effort — however disingenuous he usually is.

  • RobJ,

    I apologise for not being as attentive as you. Next time I shall review every comment thread on every blog I read before pointing out when an Author of a blog is using abusive language – for no apparent reason.

    RobJ, can I ask you though, back to the point of this thread, do you think Ant’s use of the word “cunt” as a tag is either reasonable or rational? Or his remarkably odd reference to my anus being water-tight?

    Do you think that this is the type of behaviour expected of a person who is able to deal with issues in a reasonable and rational manner?

  • What case is that again?

  • Scroll up just 3 posts, Nic.

  • “Ant, if I am embarrassing you, then that is good. Perhaps you will clean up your language.”

    Doesn’t worry me, I’ve never found swearing particularly offensive – I like Billy Connolly.

    For the record what has bothered me in my interactions with human beings is that so many of them don’t flinch when racist, sexist remarks are thrown around but act as if they’ve been stabbed in the heart when they hear a swear word. That to me is weird, but, we’re all different. (I don’t class ‘cunt’ as a sexist remark, any more than ‘prick’)

    “Or his remarkably odd reference to my anus being water-tight?”

    I’m not the arbiter of what is and isn’t offensive, to me, it would be water off a ducks back, I post at Andrew Bolt and get insults hurled at me regularly, I guess I’m fortunate that it doesn’t bother me, I’m fortunate that I have a resilient nature. If it offended you, then I’m sorry for you, ie I empathise, but take it up with Ant (which you already have)

    “Do you think that this is the type of behaviour expected of a person who is able to deal with issues in a reasonable and rational manner?”

    I read Andrew Bolt, I read the posts made by his minions, there’s a real lack of rationality going on over there, just look at the ridiculous, baseless posts made in the latest Obama thread. I haven’t been posting here for long but nothing about Ant’s posting style bothers me, I don’t subscribe to the maxim that swearing is a sign of a limited vocabulary, that’s proven false time and time again thus I don’t think much of people who throw it around.

    It’s horses for courses, really if it upsets you just don’t post. It’s your choice, nobody forces you to participate.

    I’d rather have a blog where swearing is tolerated and sexism, racism and other forms of bigotry are not.

  • Sorry – the top off my post should contain the quote:

    “RobJ, can I ask you though, back to the point of this thread, do you think Ant’s use of the word “cunt” as a tag is either reasonable or rational?”

    Sorry for any confusion.

  • “Actually, essentially I made the observation that there is as much stupid commentary on the Left as the Right, in response to the crowing that inferred vicious comments at Bolt’s site were the province of the Right.”

    No it didn’t. It poked fun at the fact that “The Right” like to pretend that they are the epitome of morals and virtue, yet still abuse a sick, elderly man because they disagree with him politically. You do it, too. You pretended to be that epitome (”I choose rich prose and the occasional typo over your use of obscenities.”), and then Ant owns you.

    What some people of the same political as us persuasion say in other comment threads is completely irrelevant here. If you care so much about what goes on in lefty blog threads, go and start a blog about it, otherwise stay on topic.

  • John, this “sick, elderly man” you fondly recall was complicit with Suharto in the murder of approximately 100,000 Timorese.

    It was Whitlam himself who suggested that Suharto “reclaim” this supposed Indonesian territory in 1974, and according to an Indonesian General it was Whitlam himself who “crystallised Suharto’s thinking” on the invasion, and subsequent genocide, by guaranteeing Australia would turn a blind eye.

    It is to our country’s eternal shame that Whitlam has been allowed to grow old and free while wallowing in the blood of tens of thousands of people.

    If there was any justice, he would have been executed by an International Court decades ago.

    I would say if you look into the facts you do more than just “disagree with him politically”.

  • And just so everyone knows, the creep above is none other than Rachel/Infidel/Rodney returning under yet another alias.

    Classy stuff, mate.

  • He’s also commented here recently as “Helen” and “Michael S”.

    More of that unwavering “conservative” commitment to honesty and ethics, I guess.

  • Chuck A. Spear

    No thanks, while you continue to post your hate filled obscenities while attacking yourintellectual betters,

    Funniest comment ever. Good luck with all that, Nic.

  • Rachel/Infidel/Rodney Helen/Michael S/:), you suggesting Gerald Ford should have been executed by an international court as well?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/sep/13/indonesia.easttimor

    Human rights groups said up to 200,000 people died during the invasion and subsequent fighting and famine in East Timor, sparked by Portugal’s withdrawal in 1975.

    Indonesia and its western allies reacted to the withdrawal with alarm, fearing that pro-communist East Timorese were taking over and that another communist stronghold would emerge in the region, months after the fall of Saigon to the communists.

    President Suharto also had tacit US support for the invasion, which took place just after a visit by the then president, Gerald Ford.

    With Vietnam fresh in mind, Australia told Jakarta it did not want to get involved in East Timor – a territory it had once called “an essay in the hopeless”. Critics said this gave President Suharto a green light to invade.

    “While preferring the integration of Portuguese Timor with Indonesia, the Whitlam government wished there to be a genuine act of self-determination in the territory,” Mr Downer said.

    “Fears that Indonesia might seek to obtain the territory otherwise than by these means led the Whitlam government to adopt a policy of studied detachment.”

    Methinks if you were consistent in your thinking, Dubya ought to be next…

  • Well said Mr…………but you are explaining that to rachel you know ( or whatever name she/he goes under at this moment )………..she/he gets all her/his info from bolt, nuff said. :-)

  • I’d rather have a blog where swearing is tolerated and sexism, racism and other forms of bigotry are not.

    RobJ – in a nutshell – encapsulates exactly why Nic is completely out of her depth at this site.

    Nic has nothing to say about blogs that regularly espouse the most disgustingly racist, homophobic and sexist views – yet feigns outrage at this site instead because of its use of the word ‘cunt’.

    It’s the single most pathetic display of intellectual incompetence I’ve seen for a very long time. Nic – you really ought to be ashamed of yourself trying on that sort of kindegarten stuff over here.

  • It’s also instructive to look at how the Fraser gov. handled the Indonesia/East Timor relationship.

    Demonising Whitlam over this is revisionist political point-scoring.

  • DeanL, its a red herring – an attempt to justify that which Ant was drawing attention to in the first place…

  • Gee, that Nic’s a bit of a cunt …

  • ‘I don’t even own a thesaurus. My vocabulary is a result of education and intellect. I had assumed yours was, too, but if you need to refer to the dictionary or thesaurus, be my guest. But please don’t project your inadequacies on others.’

    Yeah, you’re pretty good with the big words. As far as intellect and education goes, my comments on your piss-poor comprehension skills still stand. I’m guessing the big words are just an attempt to cover up for the rest of your ‘inadequacies’.

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    Nic
    1 July, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    “It is a cheap shot and shows that the people who use it are insensitive to the plight of the disabled.”

    actually YOUR linking cerebral palsy with ‘timmeh’ (when most would probably never make the connection) is a better indication of the insensitivity you admonish. everybody here knows that ‘timmeh’ equates with ‘traceeeeee’, favoured so much by bolt/blair. i suspect this is more a case of YOU trying to take a cheap shot. and at the expense of those with cerebral palsy. shame on you.

    robj says: “I’d rather have a blog where swearing is tolerated and sexism, racism and other forms of bigotry are not.”

    absolutely, couldn’t agree more. i stopped posting at bolt because the petty insecurities of his sheep often manifest as profound racism and intolerance and it’s impossible to argue with such hatred and jealosy – not to mention pointless. these people are rusted on group-thinkers.

  • “most would probably never make the connection”

    But you did straight way didn’t you, you fucking useless cunt.

    “absolutely, couldn’t agree more”

    That’s because the ability to conduct civil discourse is beyond stupid fuckwit munters like yourself.

    “these people are rusted on group-thinkers”

    Hello kettle

    Feel better now cunt, that you’ve railed against the RWDB’s?

  • Major Elvis newton…………..that was really grown up of you, your mum will be so proud of you…….or are you another Bolt reject?

  • ____________________________________

    “most would probably never make the connection”

    But you did straight way didn’t you, you fucking useless cunt.
    ________________________________________

    Wow Barry of Round, Ooops, I mean Major Elvis Newton, your comprehension skills are appalling, is this an affliction suffered by lots of Andrew Bolt’s minions?

    Nic is the one who made the connection, confession’s was merely pointing it out, I guess that’s a little too much for you to grasp!

    Keep it up, I enjoy watching bigots come here and consistently humiliate themselves.

  • I enjoy watching appartachik locksteppers like you RobJ come over all puritanical when someone lifts up the rock which cunts like you crawled under.

    Particularly when the best retort you have is a pathetic attempt at grammar assessment.

    I’m liking this swearing bit….well done blogtards.

    BTW, how is that thesis going?

  • “Particularly when the best retort you have is a pathetic attempt at grammar assessment.”

    See,you still don’t get it, I was mocking your comprehension skills, or total lack of, I never mentioned your grammar.

    Another own goal by Barry of Round. Thanks for proving my point. LOL

    I don’t need a ‘retort’ you do an excellent job of making a fool of yourself. Ever hear the phrase “give ‘em enough rope” ? I guess Abu Chowder, Nic and yourself are learning what this phrase means, the hard way. LOL

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    “That’s because the ability to conduct civil discourse is beyond stupid fuckwit munters like yourself.”

    LOL!! speaking of kettles…..

    that you’ve chosen ‘barry of round’ to connect to makes me think you are really just rachel/michael s/helen/:) using ANOTHER screen name. i’d bet your bolt screen name is ‘infidel tiger’ and you pinch the names of some of bolt’s lefty posters whenever you come here.

    grow up. you are pathetic.

  • Elvis Newton is lashing out because he is depressed that Little Lord Fauntleroy is leaving parliament today and will no longer be about to play Dr Frank-N-Furter in the annual liberal party Rocky Horror Picture Show Review.

    You’ll get over it Elvis, Christopher Pyne is still there.

  • I’m just loving the ‘oh my gosh’ responses from the BoltHater huddlers here.

    “Comprehension” BWAHAHAHAHA

    You’ve got to be fucking kidding….that’s the best you’ve got?

    You. Are. Pathetic.

  • “no longer be about to play Dr Frank-N-Furter in the annual liberal party Rocky Horror Picture Show Review”

    WOW, that undergrad humour is really working for you, Ron.

    How many years has it been since you started this degree?

    That HECS bill must be H U G E.

  • I understand the difference between comprehension and grammar, evidently you don’t.

    “You’ve got to be fucking kidding….that’s the best you’ve got?”

    No, however dismissing your posts requires minimum effort on my part, you consistently demonstrate your idiocy.

    “BWAHAHAHAHA”

    Rather an intelligent retort !- LOL

    “You. Are. Pathetic.”

    I see that now you’re demonstrating that not only are you devoid of comprehension skills, your grammar is not up to much either, not that you actually understand the difference between grammar and comprehension.

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    “BWAHAHAHAHA”

    sigh.

    another sheep who’s wandered away from the flock and now appears lost. at the top of your screen dear you’ll find a link to bolt or blair that will take you home again. don’t feel ashamed. we regularly get bolt/blair sheep who come here by mistake, and true to form we find their contributions to this blog to be largely on a par with their contributions at their home site. ie, crap.

    LOL.

  • Notice how gutless Elvis is.
    Why don’t you post under the name you use on the Bolt blog moron. Too afraid we will find your useless posts on that site and expose your for the fuckwit you are?. At least that idiot Chowder uses the same name on both sites.

  • Notice how gutless Elvis is.
    Why don’t you post under the name you use on the Bolt blog moron. Too afraid we will find your useless posts on that site and expose you for the fuckwit you are?. At least that idiot Chowder uses the same name on both sites.

  • Who says I post on the Bolt Forum?

    Don’t be so quick to jump moonbat.

  • “sigh”

    Not enough of a head-tilt in your voice.

    Try again…with more cowbell.

  • Yep, as gutless as I thought.

  • “I see that now you’re demonstrating that not only are you devoid of comprehension skills, your grammar is not up to much either, not that you actually understand the difference between grammar and comprehension.”

    You win Professore. I can’t beat you.

    Your intellectual virtuosity has proven too great for a mere mortal such as I. Good to know my tax dollars are being spent where they are so desperately needed.

    Another latte?

  • “Yep, as gutless as I thought.”

    That’s rich coming from a fucking oxygen thief like you.

    You’re punching well above your weight boy.

  • “That’s rich coming from a fucking oxygen thief like you.

    You’re punching well above your weight boy.”

    Silly cum dumpster. Why do you even bother. It’s not like you’ve actually said anything of value here. Review your own posts. You’re as usefull as a case sensitive search engine. No wonder you fit in with the rest of those head nodders at Bolt and Blair.

  • “Who says I post on the Bolt Forum?”

    Hmmm:

    “Don’t be so quick to jump moonbat.”

    Dead give away Barry of Round.

    “You win Professore. I can’t beat you.”

    LOL I’m not a professor, I don’t have a tertiary qualification even (well I’ve got a diploma in Engineering but that was a long time ago)

    “Your intellectual virtuosity has proven too great for a mere mortal such as I.”

    It’s Abu Chowder who likes to boast about his intellectual prowess, I’ve never made any claims that I’m particularly intelligent, in fact I consider myself reasonably intelligent, not especially. But hey, just keep on with your assumptions about how I rate myself, it all adds to the fun (of you making an utter twit of yourself)

    “Good to know my tax dollars are being spent where they are so desperately needed.”

    I’m a contributor of tax, not a burden on the tax payer, I don’t work for the tax payer, I work for a profitable organisation. More baseless daft assumptions on your part.

    “Another latte?”

    If you’re buying, I’d prefer a flat white.

  • “Silly cum dumpster.”

    I’m not interested in your extra curricular predilections.

    Stick to the topic asswipe.

  • “I’d prefer a flat white”

    Racist asshole.

  • “Stick to the topic asswipe.”

    What topic is that dickhead?

  • “What topic is that dickhead?”

    Stupid too I see.

  • Why are you guys talking to this troll?

    He is proving the maxim that you should never argue with an idiot as they will always drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

    He’s a childish idiot who has only come here to abuse and disrupt – this much is quite obvious to everyone. Engaging with him only gives him further opportunity to fling his shit around.

    Ignore the little turd. It’s the worst thing you can do to him.

  • “Major Elvis Newton” is that snivelling little fellator “Jay Santos”, who occasionally manages to remove Andrew’s Bolt from his gob long enough to spit the semen of his saviour into his pretentious posts over there.

    Somehow I don’t think your hero would approve of your conduct here, cuntaxe.

  • Who the fuck is “Jay Santos”.

  • “You tell me, cunt.”

    Classic!!! I had a feeling it was that pathetic loser.

    You are a dumb fucking nazi Santos.

  • Okay people, that’s enough — please don’t bother addressing Major Elvis Newton’s comments. He has been placed on permanent moderation for being a complete dickhead who has not even the slightest intention of debating in good faith.

    I don’t like placing restrictions on commenters, but I’m sure even this site’s harshest critics of late (Abu Chowdah and Nic) would agree that his input has been well and truly beyond the pale.

    PS: I couldn’t care less who he is, Anne.

  • Dam Buster of Preston

    Wow, all of the above M.E.N. comments are in line with the topic “Civility and logic from our righty friends”

  • Just logged on & read all the above – that was a fucking ride – clicked on Major Elvis name link – and got message “Firefox can’t find the server at http://www.barryofroundisacunt” more like a barry’s brain firefox couldn’t find – but oh well

  • I think you will find more pearls of wisdom from the major at his now defunct blog:

    http://rightequalsmight.blogspot.com/

    Enjoy…

  • PS: I couldn’t care less who he is, Anne.

    Nonetheless that was some excellent sleuthing by Anne. Amazing pick up.

  • Chris of Brisbane

    http://rightequalsmight.blogspot.com/

    Haha. I have seen Bolt link too that site regularly.
    Its funny how so many of these right-idiots have their own little blogs, mutually linking to one another, their mutually back slapping and collective mindless-droning adding to their delusions of sensibility.

    Seriously as Mondo and Ant have said, responding too types like Jay Santos or whoever that Elvis fuck’s real name is, seriously drags down this blog, when most contributors are capable of discussion far superior to anything that a typical Boltist could fathom.

    Dragging yourself down to the true level of a Boltist’s, the nature easily observed when they don’t have their Sunday bests on, masquerading under Uncle Andy’s deranged illusion that they represent beacons of civility to society and moral superiors to the ‘barbaric left’, is a wasted exercise because they are better at being nasty, childish imbeciles and have had far more practice.

  • You fucking twat.

    Fucking hypocrite.

    I was sorely provoked by the obtuse behaviour of RobJ. Read that ENTIRE thread before you pass judgement on me.

    However, no excuses for slipping and acting like one of you.

  • Yeah, you’re pretty good with the big words. As far as intellect and education goes, my comments on your piss-poor comprehension skills still stand. I’m guessing the big words are just an attempt to cover up for the rest of your ‘inadequacies’.

    Oh dear. You seem to have hit the target. I’ll have to slink off and lick my wounds now that you know my secret. Nothing gets past you, Shane, does it?

  • “Major Elvis Newton” is that snivelling little fellator “Jay Santos”, who occasionally manages to remove Andrew’s Bolt from his gob long enough to spit the semen of his saviour into his pretentious posts over there.

    Somehow I don’t think your hero would approve of your conduct here, cuntaxe.

    An unbelievably offensive and misogynistic post. Perhaps you’re a sensible person in real life but you certainly become Mr.Hyde when you hit the keys.

  • I see Bolty’s at it again this morning, telling us how wonderful he is. The man calls his own name out when reaching orgasm.

  • “I was sorely provoked by the obtuse behaviour of RobJ. ”

    ? – You don’t have to post, I don’t seek to provoke, I do make an effort to respond to posts. (until they become utterly devoid of content and obviously trollish – see Jay Santos contribution in this very thread)

    By your own admission you are a troll.

    You were not calling me a “fucking twat” If I did provoke you why call another a “fucking twat”?

    “An unbelievably offensive and misogynistic post. ”

    If you were as pure as the driven snow you’d have a point, you’re not, you are however a hypocrite.

  • I see today that Andrew Bolt has a thread concerning Alan Jones unfortunate diagnosis of prostate cancer. I’m hoping that people don’t start making offensive posts, but I’m picking if they do then Andrew Bolt will either admonish them or snip them. Though the foul posts in the Whitlam thread didn’t seem to bother him.

  • Chris,

    I don’t know what point you are making about people on the right having their own blogs. People on the left do too.

    Ant, I agree the comments have gone off the rails. Although Anne Ouncement should be moderated too – that is the filthiest comment I have seen on this blog.

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    RobJ
    4 July, 2008 at 9:10 am

    somehow i can’t see bolt’s sheep writing the sort of vile nonsense about alan jones like they did with whitlam. but who knows how these people think. i remember a post from one of the boltites sticking the boot in about jones being gay. from memory that person was roundly criticised for doing so. but your right. let’s hope that thread doesn’t disintegrate into people wishing the man dead.

  • Although Anne Ouncement should be moderated too – that is the filthiest comment I have seen on this blog.

    Fair enough, Nic.

    In other news, the dishonest creep who so far has posted under the names Helen, Rachel, Rodney, Infidel and :) has been banned for attempting to post my home address in a comment.

    Absolutely contemptible.

  • “i remember a post from one of the boltites sticking the boot in about jones being gay.”

    I reckon I saw that thread. Foul homophobic bigotry is to be condemned and kudos to the Bolities who did. I wonder if one would be condemned at Andrew Bolts blog if someone stuck the boot into Bob Brown for being gay? I suppose I could post something in the forum to find out but that would make me a troll, so I wont.

  • “has been banned for attempting to post my home address in a comment.”

    It’s par for the course from the Bolties, only yesterday I asked Andrew Bolt why he posted the email address of a poster known as Richard Ryan, considering this is at odds with News Corporations policy (and I suspect may be in contravention of privacy laws – though I’m not a lawyer)

    My contention being that Bolt has the power to not publish posts he considers abusive or trollish thus it was a spiteful act on his part.

    I got an answer along the lines of how Ryan is a troll (probably true) and had been warned many times. I then got accused by Andrew Bolt of mischaracterising him as someone who frequently does this, (I was referring to a single incident) and that I probably had a hidden agenda.
    Maybe I’ll take it up with the News.com’s privacy officer, where I suspect I might get a straight answer.

  • By your own admission you are a troll.

    Get over it. At least I can admit I occasionally enjoy pricking some over-inflated egos and pointing up incidences of monumental obtuseness and mono-mania.

    Troll… or defender of rational thought. You be the judge.

    Now; do I need to explain to you yet again my stance on detention or have you finally got it?

    I’m hoping that people don’t start making offensive posts, but I’m picking if they do then Andrew Bolt will either admonish them or snip them.

    I agree. But how about you clean house here before getting outraged at some hypothetical future misbehaviour at another site? I mean, what did you think of the term “cuntaxe”? What the hell was that all about?

    Abu

  • Abu,

    If you scroll up you’ll see exactly what my stance on swearing is, I don’t need to repeat myself. (It’s a response to Nic’s post)

  • “I occasionally enjoy pricking some over-inflated egos ”

    I’d contend that you are the one with the over inflated ego, you know how highly you rate your own ‘intellect’

    I’m going away for the weekend in a few minutes, I won’t be responding for a few days….

  • I’d contend that you are the one with the over inflated ego, you know how highly you rate your own ‘intellect’

    I respect your right to an opinion.

    I’m going away for the weekend in a few minutes, I won’t be responding for a few days….

    I think it’s wise to note your schedule. I once let a day go by when I was travelling without explaining my absence and came back to find the peasants crowing that they had defeated me and chased me off, the desperate little devils.

  • Damned auto fill…..

  • Perhaps Ant or one of the others could edit it? Secret’s safe with me.

  • confessions of a (former) bolt blogger

    “…only yesterday I asked Andrew Bolt why he posted the email address of a poster known as Richard Ryan, considering this is at odds with News Corporations policy…”

    i remember that. i criticised bolt at the time for not simply ignoring his posts, stating it was the more mature thing to do. naturally my post disappeared into the ether.

  • Those comments from Bolt’s blog were appalling. But I cannot help noticing hypocrisy coming from another area. After all, isn’t this very site set up to knock and bag Andrew Bolt and Tim Blair?
    Let’s look at your own review of your “Praise” Section:

    “Like watching a bunch of coprophagiacs munching their way through each others’ shit, ingesting it, reprocessing it, mixing it with their own in the brown bedroom of their bloated bowels until they blast the blended muck out of their respective sphincters, drenching the poor reader who can no longer distinguish one flavour of pungent stench from another.”

    And here are some of the comments of your own blog on this article.

    “Gutless wonders, gleeful at the thought of an old man’s mortality.
    Oh Bolt’s caged monkeys, so predictable and scornful”

    “If ever there was proof needed that Bolt’s “blogging” amounts to little more than rattling the cages of his monkeys so he can watch them fling their own shit around, then the Whitlam post surely is it.”

    “Show us how it’s done, what’s there to address? Face it Rachel, it’s a dog whistle to his band of adoring ignorant bigots!”

    Conclusion: You made a good point but there are some good comments on Blot’s blog aswell:

    “While I dislike much of his politics, I bear him no personal animosity. I hope he makes a full recovery”

    “I agree with you. Whilst I think that he was the worst PM Australia ever had, prior to the arrival of Elmer Frudd, the few times that I had occasion to have contact with he and Margaret, I found both to be very pleasant and friendly. Like yourself, I hope he makes a full recovery.”

    “Hope he is alright! I’ll offer a prayer for him.”

    Both sides can be accused of scorn and abuse…however I still think conservatives are far more polite.


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