By Jeremy
A tragic story today about a baby found dead in a rubbish bin.
The important point, according to News Ltd’s most hard-heartedly deranged typist? The bag in which the baby was found was, wait for it – “a green shopping bag”. A GREEN SHOPPING BAG! Open your eyes, people!
Planet saved, baby dead
Utterly tragic, but in some ways a grim metaphor… In the hysteria to “save” Earth from a warming that’s actually halted, we ignore a true and growing threat to children.
Congratulations, Andrew. You have found a silver lining in a tragedy – how many people read that article and failed to realise that it could be used to bash environmentalists? That’s why you were granted that column, after all: to pick up the juvenile and tastelessly inhuman angles other – decent – writers miss.
I’m trying to learn from your fine example – my only post on this particular horrible tragedy will be the horrified one you’re reading now – but I can’t bring myself to indict an entire group of my political opponents just because of your miserable effort. I doubt very much that it even occurred to other conservatives to use the story the way you did.
Pardon my being blunt but you, sir, are a disgrace.
130 Comments
24 July, 2008 at 10:40 am
Speechless. The man knows of no depths he is not willing to plumb for his pet causes.
24 July, 2008 at 10:41 am
wow!
a new low, even for bolta. what a douchewangtard.
24 July, 2008 at 10:54 am
ha, just read this one. even the boltheads were struggling to see the link between the warming and a dead baby. i mean a green bag really? who the fuck cares about the bag. if instead an environmentally unfriendly plastic bag was used would anyone be stupid enough to blame “teh right”?
24 July, 2008 at 10:55 am
Even though i’m a Bolt fan to some degree, I still believe this really is pretty bloody low and pathetic.
24 July, 2008 at 11:01 am
bolt explains
“True. A moderator has just told me half a dozen spectacularly nasty comments have had to be snipped. Which kind of makes my point in another way – that many fanatic green crusaders seem blind to human values and feel themselves licensed to hate.
As you’d probably understand, I’m not saying that green-bag shoppers are baby-killers. I’m drawing a contrast between a furious concern for a planet that’s not in danger, and a dangerous lack of concern for increasing number of children who are, and for the coarsening of the culture that’s responsible.
There is another symbol of this that I’ve referred to before – the PETA extremist who, to “save” the world from global warming, aborted her baby. ”
I think the hype around Bill Henson and dennis ferguson show that people are more concerned about their children than ever before, even if it leads to silly moral panics. Is he accusing warmening believers of not being able to do two things at once? In order to care about the planet we have to turn a blind eye to our children? What a retarded argument.
24 July, 2008 at 11:09 am
bolt replies: “I’m drawing a contrast between a furious concern for a planet that’s not in danger, and a dangerous lack of concern for increasing number of children who are, and for the coarsening of the culture that’s responsible.”
crap. the dead baby has been all over the news. if people were not concerned for child welfare it would of blown over without mention.
bolt also says of the number of readers shooting him down early in the day: “The strategy is to try to hijack a discussion, or close it off.”
that’s right. keep digging andy. concern about how he has hijacked the death of a baby to make some political point is trying to shut him up. can this man be any more self-centred and conceited? once again its all about ME!
24 July, 2008 at 11:14 am
I challenge Andrew to just name 10 children that died needlesly that has a clear and direct connection to parents or guardians being more concerned over AGW. Just 10 Andrew.
24 July, 2008 at 11:21 am
The man is insane. He needs professional help.
24 July, 2008 at 11:22 am
He’s an animal.
24 July, 2008 at 11:28 am
This is Bolt’s response:
True. A moderator has just told me half a dozen spectacularly nasty comments have had to be snipped. Which kind of makes my point in another way – that many fanatic green crusaders seem blind to human values and feel themselves licensed to hate.
As you’d probably understand, I’m not saying that green-bag shoppers are baby-killers. I’m drawing a contrast between a furious concern for a planet that’s not in danger, and a dangerous lack of concern for increasing number of children who are, and for the coarsening of the culture that’s responsible.
There is another symbol of this that I’ve referred to before – the PETA extremist who, to “save” the world from global warming, aborted her baby
24 July, 2008 at 11:32 am
Which kind of makes my point in another way…
Funny how all things point to Bolt being…right.
24 July, 2008 at 11:36 am
Would Bolt contemplate how many dead babies might have been saved with the $Trillion that was spent on war on Iraq? What would he say to such an assertion – despite it being more valid than his own?
Wonder if this might get some airtime next Monday at around 9:40pm?
24 July, 2008 at 11:38 am
Spectacular stupidity and rank hatred of those who dare argue against him from Bolt indeed but what does it say about the Herald Sun? Not much. I’m not suprised that he’s a got some vitriol in return – he deserves it. Can you believe he gets PAID to write this drivel?
24 July, 2008 at 11:39 am
crap. the dead baby has been all over the news. if people were not concerned for child welfare it would of blown over without mention
I don’t think that Bolt is referring to how people feel about it after it has occurred. I think that he is referring to how we as a society are more concerned with other things while serious issues, such as child welfare, are falling by the wayside.
Separate to bolt’s article, I think that it is rather sad how a child’s life can end in this way. What does it say about us as a society that a child’s body can be dumped at a bus stop, and not noticed for days. Also how does a parent get to the stage of dumping their child’s body at a bus stop. If anything, it should force the government to investigate how this happened and how things can be changed to stop it form happening again.
24 July, 2008 at 11:41 am
First, why is Andrew assuming that the most outraged people are “greens”? Anyone with a modicum of good sense can see that his appalling “metaphor” is a cheap shot in the worst possible taste. I’m offended as a human being, not as a member of or spokesperson for some amorphous “green-left” entity he’s constructed out of drool-drenched straw.
Second, this is patently absurd:
I’m drawing a contrast between a furious concern for a planet that’s not in danger, and a dangerous lack of concern for increasing number of children who are …
Since when does concern for the environment equate to a lack of regard for the welfare of children? What a deranged argument.
And no, Rad Pipper (aka Marc), the example of the one fruitloop who claimed she aborted her baby to “save the world from global warming” doesn’t amount to anything more than the actions of one fruitloop — despite how much Bolt and his arselickers would like to believe her actions are representative of an entire political spectrum.
24 July, 2008 at 11:48 am
And no, Rad Pipper (aka Marc), the example of the one fruitloop who claimed she aborted her baby to “save the world from global warming” doesn’t amount to anything more than the actions of one fruitloop — despite how much Bolt and his arselickers would like to believe her actions are representative of an entire political spectrum
I never said anything about the Peta fruitloop. I agree, that it was rather mischievous of Bolt to raise that issue as he choice to abort her child for Climate Change reasons, is not shared by the majority of the climate change evangelists.
24 July, 2008 at 11:57 am
That is a truly astonishing long bow Bolt has drawn there, but what interests me is this idea Bolt throws around that somehow “our coarsened culture” makes things worse for children today. Any reading of social history would tell him that these things actually happen less today, not more. Until there was a proper social welfare system, and the social stigma removed from out of wedlock births, dumped babies were, unfortunately, relatively common, as shame and lack of money often made people feel there was no other option. This constant painting Bolt does of times past as some sort of idyllic place where everyone loved one another and nothing bad ever happened to children is a fantasy and Bolt should know that. The world has always been a cruel place for children, and it is only thanks to modern welfare systems and some sort of social help that makes it a tiny bit better today.
24 July, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Insane.
I think he really has cracked this time.
24 July, 2008 at 12:08 pm
… her choice to abort her child for Climate Change reasons, is not shared by the majority of the climate change evangelists.
Damn straight it’s not. So, since we agree that’s the case, what relationship can Bolt possibly be highlighting between the child’s death and environmental concern/activism — except a purely imagined one?
“Drawing a contrast” between two unrelated things is pointless at the best of times; in this case, it’s despicable.
I could draw a contrast between apples and toenails to try to bolster some facile argument, but doing so would only demonstrate what an utter deadshit I am.
24 July, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Classic Comments 1:
Thu 24 Jul 08 (11:47am)
“Bolt cultists”, “Zombies” … that’s about the only way the left can argue. Andrew has given reason and no abuse. All you lot can do is name call like little kids having having been told the truth, there ain’t no lefty santa.
Fact: AGW fanatics don’t want babies. Fact. Deal with it. That is not conservative cultism. Not zombies but factual reflection of what crackpots from the left spew out.
You lot care for people ? You would trash’em in a gulag given half the chance.
Thu 24 Jul 08 (09:33am)
We’re about to piss billions of dollars up against a gum tree to fix a problem that may be complete bullshit; while saying ‘bugger it’ to real and tangible problems that affect our kids.
24 Jul 08 (09:48am)
Someone had taken time to dispose of the body in an environmentally friendly manner.
I wonder if the judge will take that into consideration when passing sentence.
Some of the things our magistrates reason go far beyond stupid.
Thu 24 Jul 08 (08:51am)
The link is pretty plain. The primary point is that while we are so terribly concerned with the health of the planet we couldn’t give a hoot about our children
The fashionable point of view is that humans are a plague upon the earth and that being so they should have no right to life and so who cares if a neglected child is left to die or even killed and then disposed of in a green plastic bag.
Thu 24 Jul 08 (10:19am)
To put it rather plainly Tony I think anyone who supports a woman’s so-called right to kill her child doesn’t give a hoot about children.
Thu 24 Jul 08 (10:55am)
JoH – Al Gore, falsely directly attributing Hurricane Katrina and the Myanmar disaster to AGW vs Andrew Bolt, calling a dead baby in a green bag symbolic of modern environmentalism. Tell me which you consider worse.
Thu 24 Jul 08 (10:59am)
He doesn’t and he shouldn’t. Those who are quick to vomit vitriol without thinking should. I see the link and agree it exists. It is a tough issue to tackle. I really don’t know how Andrew does it, but I am glad he does.
24 July, 2008 at 12:18 pm
“Pardon my being blunt but you, sir, are a disgrace”.
Jeremy, you’ve gone soft. Ant gets closer with “utter deadshit”…
24 July, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Oh. My. God.
I long ago stopped being shocked by Bolt, but today I’m shocked, horrified and utterly disgusted for the first time in ages by Bolt.
Even my colleague who likes Bolt just agreed that this was WRONG of Bolt to do. I think she’s starting to think twice about her regard for Bolt.
Shame on him.
24 July, 2008 at 12:19 pm
The man’s a pig. A complete pig.
24 July, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Lowest form of scum ever.
Just awful.
24 July, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Classic Comments 2:
Thu 24 Jul 08 (11:05am)
Wow. Any confusion or outrage about this metaphor is based on sheer stupidity and pure belligerence to anything Andrew says. The concept could not be more simple. There is a real problem with the safety of our children in our community that needs urgent attention. There is a fake problem that is sucking up all our resources. If you can argue that the fake problem is more deserving than the real problem you need to turn your outrage to the shell of a human you seen in the mirror.
Thu 24 Jul 08 (11:47am)
have neither the time nor the energy to respond to the spittle-flecked comments of the Lefty indignados who flock here in waves attempting to silence any true debate, but would just like to say that I think that the attention Bolt is drawing here to how deeply we “care” about “catastrophic man-made global warming” and how many resources we are devoting to “‘stopping’ catastrophic man-made glocal warming” vs. the relative “meh” factor of yet more abused, neglected and dead kiddies, is spot-on.
Well done, Andrew. The fact that the lefties are flocking here, foaming at the mouths and trying to shut everyone else up (and the fact that you publish their dissenting comments, more than your Lefty peers can say) says a heck of a lot about them, and their agenda, and the means by which they work, as well as a lot about you. Bolt 1, Indignados 0.
The left / Greens are traditionally baby killers so it would seem an appropriate disposal method for them. What do they call it….. carbon sequestering?
Thu 24 Jul 08 (11:48am)
24 July, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Damn straight it’s not. So, since we agree that’s the case, what relationship can Bolt possibly be highlighting between the child’s death and environmental concern/activism — except a purely imagined one?
I think the point that Bolt is trying to make is that our concern for climate change has become so dominating, that other causes are beginning to be overshadowed.
From the point of view of a climate change sceptic, it is valid to feel that the $billions about to be spent on climate change policy, would better be spent on more worthy causes. It is also valid to feel that the government’s attention, which lately has been dominated by climate change policy would better be directed towards more worthy causes like child welfare, poverty, HIV/aids pandemic… etc
24 July, 2008 at 12:23 pm
What if it was a ‘Borders®’ bag?
24 July, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Mighty Matt:
It is also valid to feel that the government’s attention, which lately has been dominated by climate change policy would better be directed towards more worthy causes like child welfare, poverty, HIV/aids pandemic… etc
But you’ve been here the last few days talking climate changed, Matt. If you and Bolt have that concern why isn’t his Blog filled with stuff about child welfare?
Piss off with your disingenuous crap.
24 July, 2008 at 12:30 pm
oh puh-leaze Rad Pipper.
Surely you can’t be excusing this.
24 July, 2008 at 12:33 pm
He’s not making any valid point whatsoever. “A baby’s body in a green bag” and he thinks, “I know, I’ll make a metaphor about global warming hysteria!”
Yeah, good. Very logical. Like blaming 9/11 on gays.
He knows fuck all about the circumstances in which the child died (they’ve yet to be determined), the particulars about the parents or their state of mind at the time, he knows nothing at all about it. And neither do we.
Yet he uses this as a means of banging his favourite drum? What a horridly opportunistic, cheap little low-life cunt.
24 July, 2008 at 12:37 pm
oh puh-leaze Rad Pipper.
Surely you can’t be excusing this
I’m not trying to excuse anything. I agree that bolt has been mischievous with this posting but it does shadow an underlying concern that a lot of climate change sceptics have which is that climate change policy is beginning to take attention and funding away from some of the world’s problems.
Problem like poverty and disease in Africa which isn’t reliant on a computer model like climate change is. These are crisis that have been happening for decades and are happening now. Not by 2050 according to a computer model.
At the same time the mock outrage being expressed here is just as over the top as Bolt’s article.
24 July, 2008 at 12:41 pm
concern that a lot of climate change sceptics have which is that climate change policy is beginning to take attention and funding away from some of the world’s problems
LOL! Yes, there’s an extremely strong correlation between climate change scepticism and concern for the world’s problems! Take Bolt’s blog for example: not an hour goes by that he isn’t pushing some welfare agenda for Africa!
24 July, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I think the point that Bolt is trying to make is that our concern for climate change has become so dominating, that other causes are beginning to be overshadowed.
And the point Jeremy made with his post was that exploiting the death of an infant to take yet another cheap pot-shot in this vein was utterly disgraceful.
You haven’t offered any argument to refute that. All you’ve done is dissembled and indulged in apologetics.
24 July, 2008 at 12:43 pm
RadP = Mighty Matt
Surely?
24 July, 2008 at 12:44 pm
LOL! Yes, there’s an extremely strong correlation between climate change scepticism and concern for the world’s problems! Take Bolt’s blog for example: not an hour goes by that he isn’t pushing some welfare agenda for Africa!
So dean you are now an expert on what concerns climate change sceptics?
24 July, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Yep. That’s Matt!
24 July, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Rad, what’s a green bag got to do with global warming? I thought it was designed to reduce the unnecessary use of plastics, because, amongst other reasons, it’s wasteful, doesn’t bio-degrade, and generally finishes up in water ways looking ugly and fucking with the marine life. The real truth is both you and Bolt group all those with concerns regarding the environment as leftist/green nutbags. It’s a bullshit argument…
24 July, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I don’t know, Dean, he hasn’t mentioned Kevin Rudd yet.
24 July, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Rad, what’s a green bag got to do with global warming?
Who said the green bag had anything to do with the point being made.
Look, i’m not trying to defend bolt. I just think that some of you have taken this way out of context. Sure, bolt was being mischievous but the underlying concern is still valid and that is politics obsession with climate change.
24 July, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Of course he is Shane – he, like Bolt, is deranged enough to believe his own bullshit.
Unless Bolt, or any of his brain-dead worshippers, can point to a specific area in which actions to address Global Warming have siphoned resources away from necessary child welfare programs then the only conclusion is that they’re desperate propogandists.
This will become a defining moment for Bolt. Nobody will ever let him forget this disgusting piece of opportunistic spin.
24 July, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Quacking, shitting all over the place…I’m calling it a duck.
24 July, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Bolty’s concern for the kids is heart-warming. He’s right to attack all the eco-fundamentalists. They are usually lefty do-gooders who believe in free universal health care and free eduction – but what about the kids? Why don’t they show any concern for the kiddies?
If only Andy could take over and return us to a conservative utopia of the free-markets. If the kiddies could go back down the coal mines and make an honest living for themselves, then they wouldn’t be turning up dead in eco-friendly shopping bags.
24 July, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Quacking, shitting all over the place…I’m calling it a duck
Maybe if you were to stand further back from the mirror, you would see things more clearly.
24 July, 2008 at 1:14 pm
“…Sure, bolt was being mischievous …”
RadP, its not mischeievous. Its disgusting.
24 July, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Here’s another angle Bolt could explore.
The dead baby was found near Shepparton, which is in the Federal seat of Murray……held by Liberal, Sharman Stone……the Shadow Minister for the Environment (cue: dramatic music)…….
Bolty will be straight onto this I’m sure.
24 July, 2008 at 1:25 pm
RadP, its not mischeievous. Its disgusting
What’s disgusting about this story is the disgusting nature at which the person who left that child’s body in a bag at a bus stop.
What’s disgusting about this story is that the parents of this child have no regard for this child’s life*.
* In no way am I saying that the parents did this or had any part in the child’s death, what I am saying is that the parents have disregard for the child’s life as they have not even reported the child as missing.
24 July, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Shorter Rad Pipper:
Can’t we all PLEASE just focus on an angle of this story that deflects our attention away from the fact that what Messiah Bolt did was wrong?
24 July, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Sure, bolt was being mischievous but the underlying concern is still valid and that is politics obsession with climate change.
I’m glad we have gormless twits like Rad posting here to highlight the utter desperation of Bolt and his mindless followers.
24 July, 2008 at 1:46 pm
After the trillions pissed up against the wall in the Iraq cluster fuck Bolt and his followers are now concerned about money being diverted from other worthy causes..? Get some fucking perspective and look outside your echo chamber. It must be so easy being a conservative.
24 July, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Shorter Rad Pipper:
Can’t we all PLEASE just focus on an angle of this story that deflects our attention away from the fact that what Messiah Bolt did was wrong?
Ant, I’m sorry. I must have lost prospective.
Silly me, not to realise that Bolt’s post was the most outrageous and disgusting thing about this whole horrid story.
Here I was thinking that there was a far more tragic and horrific side to this other than Andrew Bolt. Next time I will make sure I conform to “Group Think” and focus more on bolt.
24 July, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Is there anything to be gained in pointing out to Matt that this post is about what Bolt has done by posting what he did? Is he capable of seeing this? Or will he now work the obviously disingenuous and deflective line that we don’t care about the baby or indeed, any such related issues in the world?
I think we know the answer.
24 July, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Rad, you claim Bolt is being mischievous, he probably is but it doesn’t alter the fact that most of us decent people find using such a tragedy to score points against AGW advocates to be utterly reprehensible.
That you don’t find it utterly reprehensible speaks volumes for the kind of character you are. One needn’t stoop so low to make such a weak point.
FTR – I’m a sceptic when it comes climate change because I’m not to scared to admit that the amount of science is too overwhelming for my skill set. Maybe if I had more time to read and digest the volumes of data I’d be able to make a decision one way or the other. Scepticism is healthy, blind adoration for anything that Bolt says is ridiculous, it’s not scepticism, it’s denial. Some of Bolt’s fans don’t come across as people who can get their heads around the science, thus I contend that they aren’t sceptics, they’re sycophants.
Most intelligent sceptics would probably err on the side of caution when it comes to emissions, I’m one sceptic who just does not want to be associated with the mindless morons that post at Bolt’s blog.
24 July, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Why oh why can’t we just see things from Rad Pipper’s prospective?!!1!
24 July, 2008 at 2:09 pm
And no assumptions can be made about the parent or parents until such time as they are located or come forward, are interviewed by police and the case placed in a proper context. To simply assume the parents are evil or consciousless is idiotic. The URL is “but the bag showed a conscience”.
There are a whole raft of factors that could’ve led to this occurring – mental illness, disability, rape, forced or coerced abandonment, domestic violence, drugs, etcetera, etcetera.
In the meantime, Bolt’s fuckwits are happy to posit theories about how greens and environmentalists enjoy killing babies as per …
The left / Greens are traditionally baby killers so it would seem an appropriate disposal method for them. What do they call it….. carbon sequestering?
Chris M (Reply) Thu 24 Jul 08 (11:48am)
24 July, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Where is his editor and how does he get to be an assistant editor when he obviously cannot see that publishing this post is wrong. Just wrong.
24 July, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Bolt: I’m drawing a contrast between a furious concern for a planet that’s not in danger, and a dangerous lack of concern for increasing number of children who are, and for the coarsening of the culture that’s responsible.
And Bolt proves he’s a denialist rather than a sceptic almost daily. He constantly says the debate is still on and there’s no consensus yet here he states the planet is not in danger. Apparently there is no debate – Andrew knows the planet is not in danger. Oh…I see, it’s ok for the debate to be over when it is his side of the debate that says it is.
And “coarsening of the culture”? That’s linked to a baby in a bag somehow?
24 July, 2008 at 2:26 pm
And Bolt proves he’s a denialist rather than a sceptic almost daily. He constantly says the debate is still on and there’s no consensus yet here he states the planet is not in danger. Apparently there is no debate – Andrew knows the planet is not in danger. Oh…I see, it’s ok for the debate to be over when it is his side of the debate that says it is
In that one statement you prove that you are a climate change evangelist.
Apparently there is no debate
Isn’t that what the climate change evangalists claim? that the debate is over.
24 July, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Perhaps someone can explain to me…yes, you’ll do Mr Pad-Ripper…how “smoothing out” our culture will reduce incidents like this.
Perhaps this: if we more regularly attend operas and classical music concerts, the number of abandoned children will decrease dramatically. Is this what Andy means?
24 July, 2008 at 2:29 pm
And “coarsening of the culture”? That’s linked to a baby in a bag somehow?
Yes … Bill Henson, Gordon Ramsey, Art Monthly, the producers of “Underbelly”, The Pussycat Dolls, death metal and horror movies kill children.
We must stop them immediately and learn to love Mantovani and The Waltons again.
24 July, 2008 at 2:39 pm
We also must try and make the perfect Spag Bol and if you are suddenly overwhelmed with the urge to cry in a chapel then it somehow makes your support for xenophobic ideals and a return to prehistoric misogynistic times ok.
Shock jock, hypist typist…
24 July, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Here’s another question: Would Bolt actually explode or spontaneously combust if it was revealed the baby was wrapped in a Burqa?
24 July, 2008 at 2:45 pm
So what would he say of the baby was found in a environmentally unfriendly plastic shopping bag?
This analogy is not only in poor tatse but makes no sense.
24 July, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I agree that it was a poor post by Bolt – I’ve commented as his blog to say so and he’s published my critical comment. That’s more than I can say about my comments here which are regularly deleted and the errors that I identify are slyly corrected. If he’d been following the ethics of those on this blog he would have just deleted his original post – instead he’s left it there and is wearing the flak for a post that he must surely regret.
24 July, 2008 at 3:00 pm
“That’s more than I can say about my comments here which are regularly deleted”
Give us some examples, I was under the impression that you really had to be an annoying prick with nothing of substance to post and do this repeatedly to raise the ire of the owners of this blog to get anywhere near moderation.
I know for a fact that posts at Bolt’s get censored and the reasons for censorship are utterly false. I’m also aware that Andrew Bolt has the authority to override the websites privacy policy and print personal details of posters.
24 July, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Classic Comments 3:
Thu 24 Jul 08 (02:04pm)
Andrew, I am sure Bill Henson and co would be be able somehow find an artistic angle to this tragedy – only if the baby was naked of course.
Thu 24 Jul 08 (02:35pm)
Hitler had his Brown Shirts and Al Gore has his Green Shirts and Storm Trooper Kevin is Al Gore’s Australian deputy.
24 July, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Rad Pipper
24 July, 2008 at 12:37 pm
This is total bullshit. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
24 July, 2008 at 3:23 pm
RobJ
“Give us some examples, I was under the impression that you really had to be an annoying prick with nothing of substance to post and do this repeatedly to raise the ire of the owners of this blog to get anywhere near moderation.”
I don’t normally don’t leave comments just because I disagree with the poster. I generally only leave comments when there’s a glaring error of fact. I don’t come here often – I think I’ve left about 4-5 comments on this blog – all have been deleted and the body of the post has been corrected.
24 July, 2008 at 3:30 pm
instead he’s left it there and is wearing the flak for a post that he must surely regret
Bolt normally posts many times per day. No additional post since 7am is very unusual.
If Bolt was embarrassed or regretful but not wanting to remove it altogether he could easily have shifted attention by additional posts.
No, he loves this stuff. He’s a true Tabloidian with a hide as thick as…something very thick.
24 July, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I think we need Tim to come on board with this one. Where are you Timmy?
24 July, 2008 at 3:49 pm
And Bolt proves he’s a denialist rather than a sceptic almost daily. He constantly says the debate is still on and there’s no consensus yet here he states the planet is not in danger. Apparently there is no debate – Andrew knows the planet is not in danger. Oh…I see, it’s ok for the debate to be over when it is his side of the debate that says it is
What a load of crap dude.
Anyone who uses the word Denialist in the climate change debate loses all credibility. Especially when the admit that the debate is not over.
24 July, 2008 at 3:51 pm
“Hitler had his Brown Shirts and Al Gore has his Green Shirts and Storm Trooper Kevin is Al Gore’s Australian deputy. ”
Yes, it’s fair game to compare Kevin Rudd to Chairman Mao and other various despots at Bolt’s blog. Once upon a time in the recent past Andrew Bolt had a thread where he was pimping John Pasquarelli ’s paintings, I made the point that Hitler was a pretty good painter too, I got snipped for “FOUL ABUSE” LOL, at worst I invoked Godwin’s…
24 July, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Ron Blogger
24 July, 2008 at 3:49 pm
2nd person today that can’t actually read a post. Try again…slowly this time.
24 July, 2008 at 3:53 pm
“I don’t think that Bolt is referring to how people feel about it after it has occurred. I think that he is referring to how we as a society are more concerned with other things while serious issues, such as child welfare, are falling by the wayside.”
then why even mention the green shopping bag? if his article was really about society’s care for children, why make it about global warming?
24 July, 2008 at 4:02 pm
interesting how those who are outraged are ‘foam flecked greens’ according to andy. surely he isn’t implying that those on the Right would never express outrage at the shameful exploitation of a dead abandoned baby for political point scoring purposes?
typical alarmist bolt.
24 July, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Posts like these from Bolt, and the inability of his followers to critique them, just show how much they have seriously lost it, and fallen into their collective irrational, mindless vortex. Too see the absurd attempts by Bolt and his brainless followers to try to logically worm their ways out of this one, is a real study of humanity.
Bolt is absolutely out of control and I have to agree with Mondo above that this will be a watershed moment for Bolt, and one that should never be allowed to be forgotten. Generally I laugh at Bolt, but occasionally people like Bolt come out and show their true colours, and reveal more significant immoral underlying tendencies, tendencies that I have suspected about Bolt for quite a while now.
I don’t throw around terms like “he needs help” lightly, but I seriously am beginning to think that Bolt needs some help with cognitive thinking and self-responsibility. At best he needs some sort of parental figure to kick his butt for absolutely disgraceful behaviour. The continual ubiquitous praise he gets from his mindless drones, simply because he represents their radical, irrational and completely one-sided ideologies, is not healthy for Bolt or his followers.
24 July, 2008 at 4:09 pm
You lot are too funny. You have all got your nickers in a twist over nothing. Rad Pipper is right when he says………………….
I just think that some of you have taken this way out of context. Sure, bolt was being mischievous but the underlying concern is still valid and that is politics obsession with climate change
As for Dean
Ron Blogger
24 July, 2008 at 3:49 pm
2nd person today that can’t actually read a post. Try again…slowly this time
Dude, you need to get over yourself. I was responding to your post. Maybe you need to start remembering what you say.
24 July, 2008 at 4:14 pm
That’s the post I’m referring to you Ronnie.
Let’s see if you can work it out.
Dude.
24 July, 2008 at 4:15 pm
“That’s more than I can say about my comments here which are regularly deleted and the errors that I identify are slyly corrected.”
I’m not one to sling around insults liberally Simon. But I get the sense that you are either a liar, or so blinded by ideological allegiance, that you’re unable to discern the differences between the types of critiques that you level at Bolt compared to the one that you may level at the editors here, or a combination of both.
Additionally any moron who attempts too back Bolt up on this one, by launching into an argument regarding whether we should/or shouldn’t be concerned about care for the environment, or AGW in particular, is a moron on so many levels. This tragic issue involving the shocking mistreatment of a baby, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue mentioned above, simply showcases the fact that Bolt’s manipulation of tragic scenarios to further push pre-conceived ideological positions, has no depths.
24 July, 2008 at 4:17 pm
“this will be a watershed moment for Bolt”
actually i think his watershed moment was a few weeks back when he went fully ott on global warming this and climate change that. this just cements it. he has become a parody of himself and is now simply cannon fodder for other columnists and those who disagree with him, like on q&a when he was totally owned by emerson and coonan, and on insiders when annabell crabbe shot down his graphs. instead of being able to construct arguments logically and listen to others points of view he sulked on both those shows and then attacked crabbe and others from the safety of his keyboard. whatta guy. i think your right about the ubiquitous praise from his sheep. maybe that is what is causing his rapid separation from reality.
if i were a conservative i’d be very concerned about those who are representing my views in public debate. there just do not seem to be any conservative columnists who put any intellectual rigour into their work, they just lazily play a join-the-dots game, a GOTCHA game like blair, or an anti-everything game like bolt rather than using logic and fact to address whatever the issue is. bolt didn’t do it with the stolen generations issue, he didn’t do it with the drought issue and water planning, and he certainly isn’t doing it with the carbon trading shceme.
24 July, 2008 at 4:31 pm
confessions… … and on insiders when annabell crabbe shot down his graphs.
But the thing was the question on insiders was about a by election in which Labor is not standing a member. We had that same scenario in Brisbane last year when the Libs did not stand anyone in Peter Beatties old seat – Labor went ballistic and scored verbal pot shots big time. Instead Bolt banged on about his Global Warming conspiracy theory.
He now shows up today with this baby in the “green bag” helping prove his point.
Bolt is getting obsessed.
He has left the post up all day to troll for comments 200+ last time I looked.
24 July, 2008 at 4:33 pm
OMG! bolt totally owned again in todays crikey. and again over his silly 7 graphs.
what are the odds he’ll ring in sick tomorrow…..
24 July, 2008 at 4:36 pm
“Any reading of social history would tell him that these things actually happen less today, not more. ”
Great point. Bolt never fails to mention how much Western Society has been improved since British Settlement. He continuously ties himself up in these knots and then miraculously his reputation remains intact. Other writers would have been exposed for being confused at best and misleading at worst. He is a dangerously confused thinker with too much influence. Dont even get me started on his family’s dominating opinion pages. Two days of Andrew and one of his wife Sally is too much I reckon.
24 July, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Simon says: That’s more than I can say about my comments here which are regularly deleted and the errors that I identify are slyly corrected.
Utter bullshit. To my knowledge, this site has never deleted comments, much less “slyly corrected” errors.
Only three commenters have been placed on moderation for serial dishonesty and/or trolling, which means their contributions get caught by the spam filter and are only published once we approve them.
In each case, the commenters were made aware of what was happening to them and why, and we have been completely transparent about the process.
I’ve run a search of your IP and email address through the system and there is no record of you ever having posted a comment here.
Quite simply, Simon, you are a fucking liar.
24 July, 2008 at 4:56 pm
No posts since 7:15am.
My bet is he’s either getting pissed and listening to opera in a darkened room or more likely in an appointment with his lawyer.
Interesting aside, his moderators are working overtime today. Very little is getting through, except if it strokes Bolts tattered ego of course..
Bolt under quarantine!
24 July, 2008 at 5:08 pm
“Bolt is getting obsessed.”
yes i reckon your right. i just went to look at comments and noticed he’s getting worked up about the including aboriginals in the constitution preamble that rudd announced yesterday as well as giving the tired old name 10 another run. none of the commentary he has in his constitution thread is dead straight accurrate either, just more slanting or skewing of what has been reported to suit his own agenda. obsessed is maybe a tad understatement!
24 July, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Ya got a link to Crikey’s bit on AB Confessions?
Keen to read what they have to say about the Clayton’s Christian…
24 July, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Ronny Blogger, could you please just quietly and honestly ask yourself a question. Is there really a strong correlation (thats what they use in statistics Ronny) between the growing public awarenare and scientific research on climate change efforts and the number of abandoned babies?
Ronny, I don’t think you can mate. You can’t go on defending Bolt forever. Bolt is a muck racker and a stirrer. He doesn’t really care! As long as he keeps little followers on board like you, the HUN keeps selling papers, and he gets his big bugs, he’s happy.
PS: Start doing some serious reading about climate change. Your ignorance is appalling.
24 July, 2008 at 5:49 pm
What Ant said. No comments have ever been deleted or modified at this site. Occasionally comments get incorrectly flagged as spam by the Akismet filter but we do our best to rescue those. All anybody needs to do is send us an email to let us know that their comments aren’t appearing on the site and we’ll rectify it.
As Ant said, you don’t appear to have ever commented here before, Simon. So what gives?
24 July, 2008 at 6:40 pm
“Ya got a link to Crikey’s bit on AB Confessions?”
sorry, it comes as an email to subscribers. but the guy who wrote the debunking said he posted something similar on bolt’s blog, the ‘i was heckled’ one with 500+ post, only he couldn’t obviously post his explanation graphs that illustrate his points. his name is michael james from qld institute for medical research. he actually signs off in the crikey article with:
“I posted a comment in response to Bolt’s article (mine is one amongst over 500 comments from mostly appallingly ignorant ranters) — but of course I couldn’t post the graphs.
I think it is important that loud polemicists like Bolt spouting distorted nonsense need a counterbalance in the media.”
lol!!
24 July, 2008 at 6:44 pm
actually idlaviv you might be able to access the article on free trial here. (hope link works, not real flash with tech.)
http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20080724-Andrew-Bolt.html
24 July, 2008 at 6:45 pm
“Bolt under quarantine!”
Precisely what I thought. A couple of my jabs got posted, but I toned them way down.
The regular minions were right in there sticking it to their beloved Left though. It just boggles the mind how Bolt’s cabal of fluffers will defend anything he says. And this proves it, they defend this, they’ll defend anything.
I’ve only ‘discovered’ Bolt relatively recently compared to most around here, so I had no idea how insane his cult of personality was.
Does he realise he does his ’cause’ no favours with this sort of mental shit? Or does he just not care?
24 July, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Not only that … but the baby was found ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD!
24 July, 2008 at 7:36 pm
There is the edge, and then there is the abyss.
What’s even more fucked up than The Professional Idiot somehow connecting the tragedy of a dead and abandoned baby to people favouring far more practical ‘green’ bags over plastic is that Bolt gets bonus payments for heavy commenting and traffic flow on his blog. Payments that he demanded when advertising first began appearing on his blog.
And how happy all those anti-ETS Libs and Labs must be to have hit his blog this morning to get more ammunition for their ‘GW Hoax’ inter-party campaigns only to find this demented filth.
The Professional Idiot was actually being taken seriously by senior Australian politicians and then he shows what an appalling excuse for a compassionate human being he really is.
It’s hilarious to see The Professional Idiot referring to himself as a journalist.
Numerous EVIL PAGAN LEFTY journos have left the trade to become Labor Party politicians, media wranglers and advisors. Bolt, however, guides Brendan Nelson through the his claimed ‘GW Hoax’ of graphs and sun spots from the comfort of his Herald Sun desk, without shame, or personally assessing the ethics of claiming to be a journalist while hysterically raging for Liberals to do what he demands or be mocked in his columns and by his extremely creepy inner circle of cultists.
24 July, 2008 at 7:40 pm
ooooh. i see bolt has done his typical rant from the keyboard about the crikey piece which means it hit a sore spot for him. he’s seriously backpeddling now: “i never said conclusively proven” (yet you say at every opportunity ‘warming that doesn’t exist’), “i never said arctic ice was thickening” (only yesterday he had yet more ‘graphs’ that he wanted everyone to believe showed this was the case), “i could go through every line of james rant” (but you won’t cause your basically fucked over and you know it). yada yada. save it mate for your sheep following worshippers. your gonna need every bit of support you can get.
24 July, 2008 at 8:13 pm
“The Professional Idiot”
How sweet it is…
Amazing isnt it, that Bolt can suck AND blow at the same time!
24 July, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Utterly revolting effort from Bolt.
24 July, 2008 at 8:28 pm
confessions where is the post of bolt having a go at the crikey piece?
24 July, 2008 at 8:35 pm
It’s at the top of his blog comicjester..
24 July, 2008 at 8:38 pm
odd. it comes up on my screen and has comments.
dunno mate. maybe its the greenies fault.
24 July, 2008 at 9:04 pm
lol thanks robh
i blame kevin rudd for not being able to find it
24 July, 2008 at 9:12 pm
[...] The Blair/Bolt Watch Project has plenty to say about this new low water mark in Bolt’s “journalistic” career. [...]
24 July, 2008 at 9:18 pm
adp – nah
i accidentally clicked on you and went to your blog rather than your comment and noticed that bolt has changed the title of his thread. i remember from this morn it was “bag had conscience”, but your right, now is “planet saved baby dead”.
lawyers? editors? both?
24 July, 2008 at 9:22 pm
I certainly don’t think it was his own conscience.
24 July, 2008 at 9:28 pm
confessiones, he may have changed the title but not the url
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/but_the_bag_showed_a_conscience/P20/
but_the_bag_showed_a_conscience
nice bloke that andrew
24 July, 2008 at 9:35 pm
yeah nice. the saint is getting somewhat hammered on his crikey-are-bastards thread at the moment. must be all those leftys that come out early as a debate shutting strategy.
chalk this one up as the nice lookaway handpass for the baby in the green bag debacle. classy that bolt.
24 July, 2008 at 9:38 pm
“I really think that you should try for a Walkley Award for Excellence this year!” says Alex D
Thu 24 Jul 08 (03:00am). To which Andrew humbly replies “I don’t enter journalism awards, Alex. But thank you.”
Unfortunately I think they have both overlooked the simple fact that the Walkly awards are for excellence in journalism, not opinion piece writing.
Andrew would have been more honest if he had replied “I don’t enter journalism awards, Alex, as I am not and never will be a journalist. But thank you for taking the biased, inflammatory, strawman based opinion pieces I create as journalism. It warms my heart to know one can still fool some of the people all of the time.”
24 July, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Andrew Bolt – You have reached “absolute zero”. I knew you had it in you!
24 July, 2008 at 10:25 pm
I don’t think that we should be too surprised. This is the logical end point (for now) of the downward spiral that is Bolt. When you indulge in ranting opinion loosed from the chains of reason, logic and objective fact, it’s gotto be ugly. Bolt has long since reached the point where volume substitutes for reasoned argument.
This latest one is schreeching.
24 July, 2008 at 10:40 pm
“…ranting opinion loosed from the chains of reason, logic and objective fact…”
Beautiful, Michael. That should be the sub-heading on Bolt’s site.
Also, bennyg, I enjoyed that.
24 July, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Its part of that classic Bolt philosophy. If you throw mud – no matter how vulgar, tasteless or inaccurate – some of it will stick.
No doubt there are his followers, fawning over him: “Oh Andrew, what an insightful piece of writing” etc etc
Sickening, isn’t it?
24 July, 2008 at 11:20 pm
And God help you if you went to one of those evil gatherings called a ‘University’.
Monster Truckin’ shows though are “those places you can learn real good stuff”!”…
25 July, 2008 at 12:24 am
Wow. I really didn’t think Bolt could sink much lower, but there he goes and proves me completely wrong, taking a headfirst dive right into the abyss.
Mondo Rock
24 July, 2008 at 12:50 pm
This will become a defining moment for Bolt. Nobody will ever let him forget this disgusting piece of opportunistic spin.
I am inclined to agree with you and Chris of Brisbane (4:05 pm). Bolt and his pack of rabid fanboys have starkly revealed their true colours to anybody who had any lingering doubts.
Nice one, Mr Bolt, between this and your recent bully-boy drivel over climate change, you might have just finally shafted yourself and saved us all a lot of bother. I only wonder how much more of this your employer will live with, even amoral RupertCo has its limits.
25 July, 2008 at 4:04 am
How fuckin low can this nutter sink! What I’d really like to know is how the Herald Sun can now after this disgusting piece of far-right extremism continue to employ this morally bankrupt cretin?
25 July, 2008 at 6:40 am
I am usually not shocked by the drival Bolt comes up with but he has sunk to a new low this time!
And the Herald/Sun supports him, and pays him big money!
25 July, 2008 at 9:24 am
OT:
Bolt: The more that Germans approve of Obama, the more that Americans must ask if Obama is a candidate with their best interests in mind.
[http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_german_candidate]
Anybody willing to hazard a guess at what he means by this?
How typical of Bolt is this? Makes a ludicrous statement with a raft of potential underlying meanings and then carries on like a pork chop when people try to interpret his vague and seemingly idiotic assertion. The he spends time back-pedalling and fiercely defending himself from the interpretations.
Exactly what happened with the 7 graphs fiasco.
A man out of this depth intellectually and talent-wise, yet his ego still pushes him to have his say and be heard.
25 July, 2008 at 9:35 am
DeanL – Andrew’s obsession with Hitler and his contempt for Germans is old news.
25 July, 2008 at 9:41 am
“A man out of this depth intellectually and talent-wise, yet his ego still pushes him to have his say and be heard.”
what was it the scientist said in crikey? a loud polemicist spouting distorted nonsense. summs the man up perfectly. i see that this morning he’s churned out the threads maybe in the hope it will make people forget about the dead baby debacel. but i love this from the julie bishop global warming blog thread: “Reason can win this debate, at least among reasonable people.” working for you so far isn’t it andy?
25 July, 2008 at 10:08 am
I don’t watch TV so never see Andrew moving and talking. However, after checking YouTube I found a clip of him “arguing” with Michael Mansell. It’s great – now when I read his words, I can imagine him speaking them.
Does anyone else think that he sounds like The Sandman?
25 July, 2008 at 11:19 am
Bolt’s nothing if not persistant with his leaps of illogic.
Today it’s using a report on the divide between local and international uni students as his weapon to attack multi-culturism, (international students are marked easily because of misguided multi-cult “equality” ). Nevermind that the report Bolt links to says just the opposite – that it’s the full-fees (the free market) that marks the divide betwen them.
As utterly dishonest as usual.
25 July, 2008 at 11:22 am
HA! This is classic.
“American housing market is in trouble because it was a GOVERNMENT insured, inspired, and underwritten edifice, based on whimsy and a Left leaning philosophy that people with brains, unlike you, understand.”
The Boltites are blaming the US credit crunch/subprime crisis and collapsing US economy on guess who.. THE LEFT.
Is their an economist in the house?
25 July, 2008 at 11:30 am
Oh, and the Australian inflation rates are, of course, the fault of Comrade Rudd.
“The best thing Americans could do before the election is focus on Australia and see what a potential carcrash the election of a bunch of school boys is doing to our prosperity. If you didn’t notice inflation figures yesterday showed the highest rate of annual inflation since the Keating years. Co-incidence? No, more like providence. Obama would trash their economy the same way with loopy left policies”
Perhaps the record high oil prices and shortage of cheap credit has had something to do with it? NOPE, Rudd to blame for world economic crisis.
Its amazing, i had no ideas that a labor govt. in Oz could have such a destructive effect on the world economy.
I wonder if Bolt gets funding from the government as an online ’special school’ for the mentally challenged?
25 July, 2008 at 11:37 am
RE Bron and Mondo:
What’s depressing is that this isn’t the lowest he’s gone-Bolt’s plunged these depths before:
(http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/search?q=Deadly+signs+of+decay and http://boltwatch.blogspot.com/search?q=Death+Culture%22%2C+or+%22I+am+a+complete+and+utter+tool)
Sorry, i don’t know how to link.
BTW, Rad Pipper:
“From the point of view of a climate change sceptic, it is valid to feel that the $billions about to be spent on climate change policy, would better be spent on more worthy causes. It is also valid to feel that the government’s attention, which lately has been dominated by climate change policy would better be directed towards more worthy causes like child welfare, poverty, HIV/aids pandemic… etc”
“Problem like poverty and disease in Africa which isn’t reliant on a computer model like climate change is. These are crisis that have been happening for decades and are happening now. Not by 2050 according to a computer model”
Guess which party advocates increasing our aid to other countries? I’ll give you an easy hint: it’s the Greens.
25 July, 2008 at 12:21 pm
An insane connection from Bolt. He should remove that from his blog immediately and apologize.
What ridiculous trivialization of a tragic issue.
25 July, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Frank replied to heather
Thu 24 Jul 08 (08:43pm)
You now have the Government you deserve. Good luck.
May your hate filled, miserable lives follow the course that your idealistic beliefs take you.
I’m going to give my kid a kiss.
Then give him the hiding he deserves for watching that gay ‘Teletubbies’…
25 July, 2008 at 12:45 pm
[...] Andrew Bolt, an influential newspaper columnist in Australia’s best-selling newspaper, crudely suggested that there is a link between using green shopping bags and [...]
25 July, 2008 at 12:50 pm
[...] Praise Bolt uses dead baby to bash opponents [...]
25 July, 2008 at 12:58 pm
lol!! i see from the “crikey sliming” thread that all the comments attacking bolt have been removed. for a guy who spends a shit load of time yamming on about the left caning debate he does a real good job of stifling alternative view on his blog. or does he just have like a totally fragile glass jaw?
25 July, 2008 at 2:03 pm
“Pardon my being blunt but you, sir, are a disgrace.”
“utter deadshit”
Can someone bring Wah in? I want to see his views on the matter.
25 July, 2008 at 2:15 pm
If you have a Criket subscription, you have to read today’s First Dog on the Moon
Absoluste pisser
25 July, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Whoops, Crikey subscription……….
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