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		<title>By: Left and Right agree - Bolt&#8217;s moderation is dodgy &#171; The Blair/Bolt Watch Project</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-11827</link>
		<dc:creator>Left and Right agree - Bolt&#8217;s moderation is dodgy &#171; The Blair/Bolt Watch Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in early September, TBBWP commenter Idlaviv made this remark about the modification of a comment on Bolt&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9448</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Bolt argues that:

&quot;But there’s also something sinister to it, especially with more states opting for longer, four-year terms. It’s this: never have so many voters been represented by leaders they’ve never checked or chosen. Is this democracy?&quot;

I agree with his broader thesis that parties - the Labor party more specially given it is the only party to have held State government recently - do simulate change to freshen up their electoral appeal. 

However, in asking rhetorically whether this is still democracy he ignores the fact that in all Australia states there is no direct election of a premier but rather the election of individual members who decide amongst themselves - more accurately amongst the members of the party with the majority of members in the upper house - who will be Premier. 

No leader has been checked or chosen by the electors in a State as only those in the leader&#039;s electorate can vote for him or her. So far all replacement leaders have already been members of parliament and so, therefore, have undergone the same scrutinty as the person they replace: elected by their local electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Bolt argues that:</p>
<p>&#8220;But there’s also something sinister to it, especially with more states opting for longer, four-year terms. It’s this: never have so many voters been represented by leaders they’ve never checked or chosen. Is this democracy?&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with his broader thesis that parties &#8211; the Labor party more specially given it is the only party to have held State government recently &#8211; do simulate change to freshen up their electoral appeal. </p>
<p>However, in asking rhetorically whether this is still democracy he ignores the fact that in all Australia states there is no direct election of a premier but rather the election of individual members who decide amongst themselves &#8211; more accurately amongst the members of the party with the majority of members in the upper house &#8211; who will be Premier. </p>
<p>No leader has been checked or chosen by the electors in a State as only those in the leader&#8217;s electorate can vote for him or her. So far all replacement leaders have already been members of parliament and so, therefore, have undergone the same scrutinty as the person they replace: elected by their local electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: windrider</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9447</link>
		<dc:creator>windrider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Pig in lipstick - Common American expression used in American politics by the Republican party. Obama was just throwing it back at them.

Re: Unslowness - 3x fixed speed cameras in one weekend = The guys an unapologetic idiot looking for a pole to wrap himself around. Tosser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Pig in lipstick &#8211; Common American expression used in American politics by the Republican party. Obama was just throwing it back at them.</p>
<p>Re: Unslowness &#8211; 3x fixed speed cameras in one weekend = The guys an unapologetic idiot looking for a pole to wrap himself around. Tosser</p>
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		<title>By: DeanL</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9443</link>
		<dc:creator>DeanL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, just to keep this thread going...

Andy: &lt;i&gt;But a new technique for clinging to office is now embedded in our politics. Governments know they must give voters all the change once offered almost exclusively by Oppositions. They must change flagging leaders, so voters won’t change parties. 

Perhaps there are benefits to this. After all, never have parties studied polls so keenly, looking for ways to keep voters happy. 

But there’s also something sinister to it, especially with more states opting for longer, four-year terms. It’s this: never have so many voters been represented by leaders they’ve never checked or chosen. Is this democracy?  
 &lt;/i&gt;

As Andy admits in the same column: He was an advocate for swapping Howard for Costello to change the Lib&#039;s fortunes.

When it&#039;s Andy&#039;s idea, it&#039;s two thumbs up.

Of course, Andy makes the usual assumption that he&#039;s a bit of a smarty pants and no ordinary voter is able to see through this little ruse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, just to keep this thread going&#8230;</p>
<p>Andy: <i>But a new technique for clinging to office is now embedded in our politics. Governments know they must give voters all the change once offered almost exclusively by Oppositions. They must change flagging leaders, so voters won’t change parties. </p>
<p>Perhaps there are benefits to this. After all, never have parties studied polls so keenly, looking for ways to keep voters happy. </p>
<p>But there’s also something sinister to it, especially with more states opting for longer, four-year terms. It’s this: never have so many voters been represented by leaders they’ve never checked or chosen. Is this democracy?<br />
 </i></p>
<p>As Andy admits in the same column: He was an advocate for swapping Howard for Costello to change the Lib&#8217;s fortunes.</p>
<p>When it&#8217;s Andy&#8217;s idea, it&#8217;s two thumbs up.</p>
<p>Of course, Andy makes the usual assumption that he&#8217;s a bit of a smarty pants and no ordinary voter is able to see through this little ruse.</p>
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		<title>By: confessions.....</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9441</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions.....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It runs along the line that, people that identify themselves with a non-mainstream ethnicity, race (or even religion) are racist or “separatist”) for claiming that identity.&quot;

yep and haven&#039;t the sheep pushed that whole &quot;your australian&quot; line instead of acknowleging ethnic differences.

the thing about andy (and timmy) pushing the whole palin sliming by the left is they did exactly the same to hilary clinton back when she was still running.  bolt had a posts that were kind of saying &#039;vote for clinton or your sexist&#039;  or words to that effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It runs along the line that, people that identify themselves with a non-mainstream ethnicity, race (or even religion) are racist or “separatist”) for claiming that identity.&#8221;</p>
<p>yep and haven&#8217;t the sheep pushed that whole &#8220;your australian&#8221; line instead of acknowleging ethnic differences.</p>
<p>the thing about andy (and timmy) pushing the whole palin sliming by the left is they did exactly the same to hilary clinton back when she was still running.  bolt had a posts that were kind of saying &#8216;vote for clinton or your sexist&#8217;  or words to that effect.</p>
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		<title>By: confessions.....</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9440</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions.....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the issue is confessions is that he can always claim that he is ‘commenting’ or giving and ‘opinion’ which is outside journalistic guidelines.&quot;

opinion or commentary is one thing.  but proven lying is completely different.  his blog on those agw graphs proves it with posts from actual scientist and others who point to his misrepresentation.  and then he posts exactly the same the next day or a coupla days later.  LIES.  this is surely a misuse of his publication?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the issue is confessions is that he can always claim that he is ‘commenting’ or giving and ‘opinion’ which is outside journalistic guidelines.&#8221;</p>
<p>opinion or commentary is one thing.  but proven lying is completely different.  his blog on those agw graphs proves it with posts from actual scientist and others who point to his misrepresentation.  and then he posts exactly the same the next day or a coupla days later.  LIES.  this is surely a misuse of his publication?!</p>
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		<title>By: DeanL</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9439</link>
		<dc:creator>DeanL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an interesting comment by BVM on the 3rd comments page of the pig/lipstick post at:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/obama_digs_a_hole_with_his_mouth/P40/

It&#039;s attributed to Jack Wheeler.

Is there any way that this can be mistaken for anything other than a racist attack?

And hasn&#039;t racism taken a strange little twisted reversal in recent decades. The approach is similar to that Bolt uses regularly in relation to Aboriginal affairs: It runs along the line that, people that identify themselves with a non-mainstream ethnicity, race (or even religion) are racist or &quot;separatist&quot;) for claiming that identity.

It&#039;s a bit like that classic line from an ex-President of Collingwood that went something like: &quot;We don&#039;t mind Aborginals, so long as they act like us white folks.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting comment by BVM on the 3rd comments page of the pig/lipstick post at:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/obama_digs_a_hole_with_his_mouth/P40/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/obama_digs_a_hole_with_his_mouth/P40/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s attributed to Jack Wheeler.</p>
<p>Is there any way that this can be mistaken for anything other than a racist attack?</p>
<p>And hasn&#8217;t racism taken a strange little twisted reversal in recent decades. The approach is similar to that Bolt uses regularly in relation to Aboriginal affairs: It runs along the line that, people that identify themselves with a non-mainstream ethnicity, race (or even religion) are racist or &#8220;separatist&#8221;) for claiming that identity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like that classic line from an ex-President of Collingwood that went something like: &#8220;We don&#8217;t mind Aborginals, so long as they act like us white folks.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RobJ</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9437</link>
		<dc:creator>RobJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dam Buster - I&#039;m aware of that, I&#039;m just saying the pig/lipstick thing is an American phrase that precedes this election campaign. It&#039;s a pretty good phrase too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dam Buster &#8211; I&#8217;m aware of that, I&#8217;m just saying the pig/lipstick thing is an American phrase that precedes this election campaign. It&#8217;s a pretty good phrase too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dam Buster of Preston</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9436</link>
		<dc:creator>Dam Buster of Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobJ - Palin almost uses the same phrase about herself. From Bolt&#039;s liveblog: 

12.41pm: “I’m just your average hocky mum who signed up for the PTA.” The difference between a hockey mum and a put bull? Lipstick.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobJ &#8211; Palin almost uses the same phrase about herself. From Bolt&#8217;s liveblog: </p>
<p>12.41pm: “I’m just your average hocky mum who signed up for the PTA.” The difference between a hockey mum and a put bull? Lipstick.”</p>
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		<title>By: RobJ</title>
		<link>http://blairboltwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/advice-dispensed/#comment-9435</link>
		<dc:creator>RobJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our friend Tobias Z wrote at Bolt&#039;s Blog of shame -frequented by many extreme right hypocrites: 

 &quot;Did they not notice that the sentence immediately before was about John McCain? Are they not aware that the lipstick phrase is one that has been commonly used in US politics, including by John McCain in reference to Hillary Clinton?&quot;  

Heh - I&#039;ve heard the phrase in the excellent HBO/BBC collaboration &#039;Deadwood&quot; and that&#039;s set in the times of the gold rush.. LOL - I&#039;m sure Cy Toliver wasn&#039;t referring to Sarah Palin..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our friend Tobias Z wrote at Bolt&#8217;s Blog of shame -frequented by many extreme right hypocrites: </p>
<p> &#8220;Did they not notice that the sentence immediately before was about John McCain? Are they not aware that the lipstick phrase is one that has been commonly used in US politics, including by John McCain in reference to Hillary Clinton?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Heh &#8211; I&#8217;ve heard the phrase in the excellent HBO/BBC collaboration &#8216;Deadwood&#8221; and that&#8217;s set in the times of the gold rush.. LOL &#8211; I&#8217;m sure Cy Toliver wasn&#8217;t referring to Sarah Palin..</p>
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