By Ant Rogenous
Cross-posted at GrodsCorp
Andrew Bolt, from his liveblog of Sarah Palin’s Republican convention speech last week:
12.35pm: “As the mother of one of those troops [about to serve in Iraq], [McCain] is exactly the kind of man I want as Commander in Chief.” Ding! Fries are done Hit the bell.
Whose bell? The only Americans prepared to be consumed by patriotic zeal upon hearing a platitude like that are bound to be Republican voters anyway.
More importantly, I’m not convinced that reminding the rest of the voting public about their nation’s involvement in a vastly unpopular war, and tying John McCain into the narrative, is such a great idea — no matter how many times Andrew has shot his Bolt declared victory for the US and its allies.
179 Comments
10 September, 2008 at 2:31 pm
What the hell is that thing?. What is the meaning of it? Is that what they use for torture at Guantanamo bay?.
10 September, 2008 at 2:49 pm
IN starting and waging a war it is not right that matters but victory-Hitler. The Americans were humilated through their invasion of Vietnam. More than 500 Aussies lives were lost,nearly 60,ooo Americans were killed, and more than 3million Vietnamese mostly civilians lost their lives. In the art of killing the Yanks are champs,whether you lot like it or not.
10 September, 2008 at 2:55 pm
yeah, song is strange. link to bolt palin comment is bit to sophisticated for me, sorry.
10 September, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Why would you want McCain as commander in chief? he got captured! –sarcasm off–
Based on the use of McCain’s military honours half of the guys sitting in Gitmo could be president. They have lasted through 5 years of torture like McCain did in Vietnam
10 September, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Its funny how Andy cant even do one of these minute by minute reports without his pathetic blinkered bias, distorting the events.
I remember when he did one on the Rudd vs Howard Great Debate, and he just couldnt help himself, litteting his analysis with little adjsutments to what was said and the way it was said, looking for any margine to be able to recast what Rudd and Howard said to make Rudd look a fool, and Howard in command.
10 September, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Chris,
That’s what amuses me most about Bolt: He is exactly what he says he most despises.
He’s a hypocrite, a smearer, biased, a political tribalist, a groupthinker, a muck-raker, a deceiver, a liar, a fabricator, a self-promoter, etc, etc.
He’s so twisted and contorted that he thinks he looks normal.
10 September, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Have to say: I really don’t understand this obsession with the USA Pressie elections. I couldn’t give even a very small part of rat’s upper intestinal tract.
10 September, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Ding fries are done.
Ding fries are done.
LOL.
10 September, 2008 at 4:51 pm
“Based on the use of McCain’s military honours half of the guys sitting in Gitmo could be president. They have lasted through 5 years of torture like McCain did in Vietnam” – DBoP
Thanks for the laugh.
And have to agree with DeanL on the interest in the US elections. Especially when there is comedy aplenty in our own Parliament – just look at the Liberals now planning to introduce their own Bill to increase the pension!!
Hey Brendan – this time last year with the Senate in the Coalitions pocket, your lot could have given every pensioner a free script for V iagra and a trip to Bali.
10 September, 2008 at 5:13 pm
“Hey Brendan – this time last year with the Senate in the Coalitions pocket, your lot could have given every pensioner a free script for V iagra and a trip to Bali.”
lol hilarious. Bloody hypocrites.
10 September, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Come on people. The argument often surfaces that Bush is a war-dodger who would never send himself or his own kids to a bloody war but is happy to enlist thousands upon thousands of others. It’s a simplistic view, but a powerful one with a decent splash of truth within.
So now that the Republican Presidential nominee is a decorated war hero and his VP has family on the front line, you bag… Andrew Bolt.
Im getting the hang of this site. Its a laugh. Easy too.
10 September, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Daics, despite generally disagreeing his politics, I actually decent have a level of respect for McCain as I do with most veterans, particularly given the exceptionally traumatic circumstance that he endured. At least he has personally endured what he would send others into. What detracts from this respect is some of the vulgar comments he has made, such about bombing Iran based on the Beach Boys song, and bagging a young Chelsea Clinton’s physical appearance.
And I can emphasise with the fact that Palin is now personally involved with issues on the front line. Perhaps because of these reasons we will see a more restrained and contemplative Republican administration than the current one, if McCain/Palin get in. Or at least one that more competently and thoughtfully handles the conflicts that they do become engaged in, allowing more adequate mitigation of problematic consequences as well as reconstruction in the aftermath.
It would be a mercy from the current Republican government which has been and still is, littered with irresponsible and incompetent hawkish cowboys, who for one reason or another havent served themselves, but still arrogantly beleive that they have superioe judgement in the use of military force and dismiss the opinions of the true experts who disagree with them. Acting on their own supposed “gut instincts”.
10 September, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I couldn’t see the VP’s son ever leaving the green zone.
If he does they may want to have a Snake Plissken on the ready.
10 September, 2008 at 8:09 pm
“I couldn’t see the VP’s son ever leaving the green zone. ”
All hail the brave blogger, launching verbal grenades from the safety from his laptop. Perspective, anyone?
10 September, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Where was the ‘verbal grenade’ kDaics?
Do you think they could risk putting the VP’s son in the front line?
I should just call him a ‘nob’ to get your petty arse in a spin…
10 September, 2008 at 10:20 pm
How will Andrew handle Costello dishing the dirt onto Howard? It will tear his heart in two
10 September, 2008 at 10:34 pm
cosmicjester Maybe Andrew will have of his patented change of hearts and turn green. He used to be Labor … Can he survive in the new LNP Liberal-National Party environment? Is this the out he has been looking for?
If Costello is financially savvy he will dish the dirt big time to increase his super, sorry I mean book sales.
10 September, 2008 at 10:51 pm
“They have lasted through 5 years of torture like McCain did in Vietnam”
Ok Dam Buster you’ll need to prove that.
10 September, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Did anyone else see the “lipstick on a pig” remark from Obama?
Talk about Ctn Smith’s ice berg.
11 September, 2008 at 8:53 am
Iry – The lipstick remark has been covered in the ADVISE DISPENSED comment series here. It is not as contraversial as you might think.
11 September, 2008 at 9:17 am
Today is a grand day.
I can just picture the beguiling Janette Howard spraying her English Breakfast tea after reading the morning papers.
11 September, 2008 at 9:19 am
“:Did anyone else see the “lipstick on a pig” remark from Obama?”
Yes we all saw it, and those of us with half a brain read Andrew Bolt’s comment (and those of his sycophants) and noticed the distortion. Obama was talking about the campaign, Obama was using a COMMON American phrase, Bolt as per usual distorted the facts, Bolt’s sycophants swallowed his line as per usual.
11 September, 2008 at 9:34 am
Yes we all saw it, and those of us with half a brain read Andrew Bolt’s comment (and those of his sycophants) and noticed the distortion
You are the one distorting Bolt’s comment on this. Bolt was not passing judgement on what Obama really meant or what he said. Bolt was commenting on how Obama’s comment will damage his campaign.
This is what bolt states; Barack Obama makes a very big mistake
The US media was dominated with the reaction to Obama’s comments yesterday. Given this, the comment by Obama has not helped him. So Bolt was right.
11 September, 2008 at 9:37 am
just to back up what I said, bolt goes on to say;
The crowd made the link, even if (as I suspect) Obama did not mean to refer to Palin and her own lipstick quip:
11 September, 2008 at 9:52 am
Rad,
Yes, Bolt is very good at knowing how to lead his lemmings to the precipice and then step out of the way so they can take the final leap of illogic. He would have known very well that plenty of commenters would be happy to tell him that Obama surely meant it to apply to Palin.
Even if he didn’t, the fact is that the negative media reaction happened because of Bolt and other commentators who are exactly the same. He implies that he knows it was not a real issue, and yet he reports it and propagates it anyway. Many US media outlets did exactly the same. This comic strip sums it up for me.
11 September, 2008 at 10:05 am
Yes, Bolt is very good at knowing how to lead his lemmings to the precipice and then step out of the way so they can take the final leap of illogic
Bolt is not making or initiating that leap of logic. He is simply stating that the US media will. He also states that the democratic audience’s reaction to Obama’s comment back up this observation.
Even if he didn’t, the fact is that the negative media reaction happened because of Bolt and other commentators who are exactly the same
Are you for real? Bolt is not as powerful as you are suggesting. No USA voter or media outlet would even know of his existence so it is irrelevant what bolt thinks or says about the US election.
He would have known very well that plenty of commenters would be happy to tell him that Obama surely meant it to apply to Palin.
What bolt’s readers think is irrelevant as bolt makes it very clear that he does not believe that Obama was refering directly to palin.
Even if he didn’t, the fact is that the negative media reaction happened because of Bolt and other commentators who are exactly the same
Bolt made it very clear on his post that he was referring to the US media’s reaction to Obama’s comment and how this would be received by the American voting public.
You are just intent on turning what is an innocent post of observation into something far more sinister.
11 September, 2008 at 10:20 am
Rad wrote:
“You are the one distorting Bolt’s comment on this. ”
Bolt wrote:
“Barack Obama makes a very big mistake:
Barack Obama put his foot in his mouth today when he said “you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig” – which the angry McCain campaign charged was an outlandish attack on runningmate Sarah Palin.
Campaigning in Virginia, Obama tore into his rivals for not representing real change.
”You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said—“but it’s still a pig.”
Many in the crowd who leapt to their feet in delight at the old Washington expression – taking the “pig” comment as a direct slam at Palin.
The crowd made the link, even if (as I suspect) Obama did not mean to refer to Palin and her own lipstick quip:
Knowing full well most of his sheep are incapable of reading past the first few lines hence the DISTORTION!
“Bolt was not passing judgement”
In the words of the idiot who calls himself Santos:
“BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA”
“This is what bolt states; Barack Obama makes a very big mistake”
Yeah – Colossal mistake, it’s in the same ball park as the invasion of Iraq /Sarcasm ie Bolt is prone to ridiculous exaggerations! Oh that’s right, Bolt doesn’t think that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake – an indication of his absurd perspective!
“The US media was dominated with the reaction to Obama’s comments yesterday. Given this, the comment by Obama has not helped him. So Bolt was right.”
The US media is worse than the Aussie media for sensationalising and exaggerating what your average Joe actually feels. So Bolt is just exaggerating like his US counterparts (I suppose he does work for the appallingly biased News Corp (thus his incessant accusations of Fairfax bias just further highlight his own hypocrisy and bias)).
11 September, 2008 at 10:44 am
The US media is worse than the Aussie media for sensationalising and exaggerating what your average Joe actually feels
Rob your very comment that I highlighted is the exact reason why Bolt’s comment is correct. Obama made a very big mistake. As you so rightly put, the media are renowned for taking comments out of context.
The reality is rob that if Obama had not made that comment, then the media would have focused on other parts of his speech. As a presidential candidate for the USA elections, it is the job of Obama and his team to manage the media.
So Bolt is just exaggerating like his US counterparts (I suppose he does work for the appallingly biased News Corp (thus his incessant accusations of Fairfax bias just further highlight his own hypocrisy and bias)).
You have to be joking Rob. Bolt is ONLY commenting on the media’s reaction to Obama’s comment.
Knowing full well most of his sheep are incapable of reading past the first few lines hence the DISTORTION!
Do you understand how stupid this comment is? Bolt is not responsible for what readers think, especially when he has made his point VERY clear. The only DISTORTION here is you trying to twist what bolt has said.
11 September, 2008 at 10:50 am
Don’t engage with the Mighty Matt troll.
We need succinct and intelligent commentators to return here (like Mondo) and havin’ this blog filled with this Bolt-strokin’ troll ain’t gonna help…
11 September, 2008 at 11:10 am
Idlaviv – I agree. If Rad believes Bolt is not distorting things then he is kidding himself. the comment has been around for decades, Obama may have used it as a reference to Palin’s self description as Pit Bull in lipstick.
11 September, 2008 at 11:14 am
Idlaviv – I agree. If Rad believes Bolt is not distorting things then he is kidding himself. the comment has been around for decades, Obama may have used it as a reference to Palin’s self description as Pit Bull in lipstick
This is where you are being deceptive. You are trying to make out that Bolt Believes that Obama was referring to palin with that comment.
Where is your evidence that Bolt believes that Obama was referring to Palin?
Bolt clearly states this;
The crowd made the link, even if (as I suspect) Obama did not mean to refer to Palin and her own lipstick quip
It’s funny how you deceptively refuse to acknowledge this comment from Bolt.
11 September, 2008 at 11:15 am
McCain has used the same comment previously in October 2007 when talking about Hillary Clinton. So really you have to wonder who is reading too much into it.
“I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,” he said.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/mccain_rolls_out_health_plan_a.html
11 September, 2008 at 11:17 am
Well Rad – you better get into Andrew’s Blog and correct the 200 odd comments in there. Come back when your finished please.
11 September, 2008 at 11:19 am
“If Rad believes Bolt is not distorting things then he is kidding himself. ”
He consistently defends Bolt at this forum regardless of the FACT that Bolt is dishonest and a hypocrite. He’s a convicted defamer for goodness sake, yet Rad still defends him.
“Do you understand how stupid this comment is?”
LOL – Big Mistake eh, yet Iraq wasn’t!!! Bolt is the one who makes stupid comments (Big mistake – that’s a stupid comment, how come you didn’t pick up on it? I guess your perspective is as warped as Bolt’s?).
“Bolt is not responsible for what readers think, ”
No, it just so happens that he’s a dog whistling prick who has many readers that aren’t too bright but are racist arseholes. Bolt panders to these types, these reprehensible creatures.
You defend bolt consistently, what does that say about you?
I criticise Bolt and his shallow sycophants on a regular basis, what does that say about me :o)
11 September, 2008 at 11:21 am
“This is where you are being deceptive. You are trying to make out that Bolt Believes that Obama was referring to palin with that comment.”
LOL – You don’t get it Rad, Bolt claims that Obama made a “VERY BIG MISTAKE” – there’s your distortion!
11 September, 2008 at 11:24 am
So really you have to wonder who is reading too much into it.
Bolt’s post is about how the media will misinterpreted Obama’s comment and how it dominated the media’s attention. With the potential to harm him.
The problem for Obama and his speech writers is that they should have realised that it was not a good comment to make, given palin’s hocky Mom joke. They should have realised that the media would make the link and subsequently attack him.
Given that, and the media coverage that followed, it is right to say; that in hind sight, Obama made a big mistake with that comment.
Bolt’s Post is not about what the comment means, rather it is about how the media have taken it out of context and run with it.
11 September, 2008 at 11:26 am
“McCain has used the same comment previously in October 2007 when talking about Hillary Clinton. So really you have to wonder who is reading too much into it.”
Well, it’s Bolt, the US media and Bolt’s band of sheep. (VERY BIG MISTAKE – LOL)
11 September, 2008 at 11:27 am
LOL – You don’t get it Rad, Bolt claims that Obama made a “VERY BIG MISTAKE” – there’s your distortion!
So do you honestly believe that Obama and his PR team are sitting back thinking that the comment was a good idea, given the media storm that followed?
In hind sight I would guess that if Obama could go back in time and redo that speech, he would have left that comment out.
11 September, 2008 at 11:31 am
Well, it’s Bolt, the US media and Bolt’s band of sheep. (VERY BIG MISTAKE – LOL)
That’s probably because the media didn’t have the same reaction to it as they did with Obama. They have entered the do or die phase of the US election. It is now when mistakes will make or break you.
McCain was lucky that he made that comment earlier on, giving him plenty of time to make up ground. Unfortunately for Obama, he has made the same comment at a critical time of the election cycle.
Hence why, Bolt’s comments are correct.
11 September, 2008 at 11:45 am
“So do you honestly believe that Obama and his PR team are sitting back thinking that the comment was a good idea, given the media storm that followed?’
You just don’t get it, I was highlighting Bolts hypocrisy/warped perspective….. A mistake sure, or rather a mistake to underestimate the asinine behavior of the press. A “Very Big Mistake” as per Andrew Bolt. Yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight – Bolt still thinks the invasion of Iraq was a good idea, for that matter he thinks we’ve won, many times over – the guy is a hypocrite who speaks shit on a constant basis. Do you understand – or are you another one of his sycophants who believes that the invasion of Iraq was a good idea (as opposed to a very big mistake)?
To sum up Bolt is ridiculously biased (and a hypocrite because he constantly harps on about other’s bias), he refers to US democrats as “The Left” for a kick off. He refers to anything left of John Howard as “the Left” He consistently allows references to Kevin Rudd being the equivelant of Chairman Mao to go unmoderated on his web site whilst he tries to pimp that racist prick John Pasqurelli’s paintings via his blog whilst editing out as “FOUL ABUSE” any mention that Hitler was a good painter too! ie (just in case this is going over your head – it’s OK to equate Rudd to Mao but not OK to equate a racist prick to a Nazi so much so that he edits the post and his basis for editing is a lie (foul abuse LOL – I have personal experience of Andrew Bolts dishonesty)
Thus whatever Andrew Bolt says about anyone can be taken with a massive pinch of salt because it’s likely to be a distortion or an outright lie.
He’s a biased hypocrite of the highest order yet you consistently stand up for him. Shame on you Rad Pipper
11 September, 2008 at 11:54 am
A “Very Big Mistake” as per Andrew Bolt. Yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight – Bolt still thinks the invasion of Iraq was a good idea, for that matter he thinks we’ve won, many times over – the guy is a hypocrite who speaks shit on a constant basis.
You seriously are not trying to compare a comment made in an election campaign to a decision to go to war?
The reasoning as to whether going to war is a mistake is far too complex than the mistake of making a comment during an election campaign.
For Bush, going to war was a mistake for his political career. As for Iraq, it is up to historians in the future to determine if the iraq war was a mistake. When Bolt talks about the Iraq war, he refers to Iraq as a country, not the political implications for Bush, who made that decision.
He’s a biased hypocrite of the highest order yet you consistently stand up for him.
So that gives you the right to misrepresent what he says? I am pointing out your error in attacking him.
11 September, 2008 at 12:01 pm
“You seriously are not trying to compare a comment made in an election campaign to a decision to go to war?”
Oh for fuck’s sake – just read what’s written and connect the dots – Bolt wouldn’t know a “very big mistake” if it smacked him in the nose hence my example of what does actually constitute a “very big mistake”- he’s a biased prick who sees the worst in what he calls “the Left” and the best in racist lying pricks (John Howard?) in this regard he’s consistent, consistently biased that is.
You really are a troll – the penny has finally dropped with you about what I’ve been writing so you go off on a tangent about me comparing a line in an election campaign with a decision to go to war – you’re either stupid or dishonest – either way I’m finished with you.
11 September, 2008 at 12:03 pm
I remember when Bolt opened one of Pasquarelli’s exhibitions.
If that doesn’t say volumes about AB…
By the way, aside from Pasquarelli himself being lower than Sphagnum Moss, his artwork is bullshit.
11 September, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Idlaviv – Yeah – he loves spruiking for avowed racists, he also dog whistles like crazy – He’d probably deny that he’s personally a racist but he’s dishonest so his denial would have no weight.
11 September, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Oh for fuck’s sake – just read what’s written and connect the dots – Bolt wouldn’t know a “very big mistake” if it smacked him in the nose hence my example of what does actually constitute a “very big mistake”-
Now you are just being silly.
If Obama loses the election then that can be considered a very big mistake for his election campaign.
As I said, this is a critical time in the US election campaign. Given the impact that Palin has made on the polls, it is critical that Obama doesn’t say anything that will take the media’s attention away from his campaign message. Even more critical, it is important that he isn’t seen to be attacking palin too much, given the negative media smear campaign targeted at her.
You don’t seem to have the intelligence to distance yourself from the raw emotion you feel for bolt to see the US election campaign in a intelligent way.
11 September, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Here’s a nice snap of the racist-supporting hypocrite…
Pasquarelli has no f**king idea about depth…
11 September, 2008 at 12:19 pm
And on Prodos’ blog — who would’ve thought!
11 September, 2008 at 12:20 pm
BTW – It’s funny how you don’t mention bolt’s posts like this when you say that he is a hypocrite and bias.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/not_every_hypocrite_is_on_the_left/
Bolt clearly show’s Bill O’Rilley’s hypocrisy in this post.
11 September, 2008 at 12:22 pm
“Now you are just being silly. ”
Heh – you’re wasting keystrokes Rad – You’re a troll – I’ve shown you up to be either dishonest or stupid (hopefully stupid because dishonesty is an appalling trait) I won’t be engaging in debate with you any longer – off you go, go over to Bolt’s and hang with your racist, idiot sycophant buddies!
11 September, 2008 at 12:27 pm
RobJ,
It’s both. Rad Pippers is a proven liar. The stupidity is also recorded here for all to see.
11 September, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Heh – you’re wasting keystrokes Rad – You’re a troll – I’ve shown you up to be either dishonest or stupid (hopefully stupid because dishonesty is an appalling trait)
And I have told you that you are wrong and I have supplied evidence to support this. You seem to think that a debate is all about you convincing the other person that you are right and if they don’t agree, then they are stupid. Then you pull out the stereotypical troll card on this blog.
I have noticed that when people on this blog cannot win a debate, they scream “Troll” like that solves the debate. It’s like the mighty matt card. You use it when you cannot win a debate so that you can close down discussion because it is all too hard.
Here’s a news flash Rob. Screaming troll or mighty matt does not make you right. It’s make you look stupid and validates the idea that your argument lacks reason.
11 September, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Here’s Deltoid’s take on John McLean’s inconsequential and irrelevant piece on AGW and the IPCC in the Oz:
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/09/the_australians_war_on_science_20.php#more
Meanwhile the Arctic ice Andy was so adamant was recovering continues to approach the record 2007 melt.
[Link next post.]
11 September, 2008 at 12:32 pm
http://www.nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
11 September, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Rad – “I have supplied evidence to support this” lmao that is funny. Repeating Bolt’s post and others comments out of context with yout own one liners is evidence?
11 September, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Repeating Bolt’s post and others comments out of context with you own one liners is evidence?
That’s the problem that you have. I have supplied evidence from Bolt’s post which clearly shows that he was not taking Obama’s comment out of context.
Here it is again.
The crowd made the link, even if (as I suspect) Obama did not mean to refer to Palin and her own lipstick quip
Those on this blog have failed to explain rationally how Bolt has, when Blot clearly states that he believes that Obama was NOT referring to Palin.
Then you have the audacity to say that I am trolling, when people on this blog REFUSE to acknowledge this comment highlighted.
Instead Rob uses wild conspiracy theory to back up his argument;
Knowing full well most of his sheep are incapable of reading past the first few lines hence the DISTORTION!
11 September, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Rad – That is your emphasis not Bolt’s. If that is not what he meant why does he allow hundreds of comments to be published that say exactly what he did not mean?
11 September, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Dam Buster – You already know this, and I should hardly be telling you (since I got sucked in this morning) – you’re wasting your time with Rad – He’s a dishonest, stupid troll. I’m wearing out my scroll wheel skipping his bullshit posts.
11 September, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Rad – That is your emphasis not Bolt’s. If that is not what he meant why does he allow hundreds of comments to be published that say exactly what he did not mean?
That is not my emphasis as bolt states it. Bolt CLEAR STATES that he believes Obama was not referring to palin. What part of that don’t you understand?!
What posters post on his blog site has no relevance to the context of his post.
Are you seriously suggesting that when I or anyone else posts on this blog site, the author (Which is Ant) is responsible for what I or any other blogger says?
11 September, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Dam Buster – You already know this, and I should hardly be telling you (since I got sucked in this morning) – you’re wasting your time with Rad – He’s a dishonest, stupid troll. I’m wearing out my scroll wheel skipping his bullshit posts.
Are you going to take your bat and ball and go home to mummy as well?
The troll card is awfully juvenile. Be a man a debate the facts. Just because you don’t understand, it doesn’t mean you have to curl up in a corner in the foetal position.
11 September, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Big Man Rad – first post on the blog:
“Glad you picked this up Andrew.
How stupid can Obama be:
1. Palin did not slag Obama. She called herself an animal, a pit bull. Obama slagged Palin and called her a pig.
2. This only shows that Obama is pathetic under pressure. Imagine if he was insulted by a foreign power. He’d nuke well before Bush or Nixon”
There you go. first post says Obama had a go at Palin. Will you go in and correct Tazz on that matter?
11 September, 2008 at 2:35 pm
And, Mighty Rad, stay over there while you’re at it.
How old is this kid?
11 September, 2008 at 2:38 pm
“There you go. first post says Obama had a go at Palin. Will you go in and correct Tazz on that matter?”
Will he? I doubt it Rad likes to come here, troll away and make a fool of himself defending racist, bigotted idiots!
“And, Mighty Rad, stay over there while you’re at it.”
Hear hear – he needs to go and hang with his ilk (racists scum that many of them are) and stop trolling this blog.
11 September, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Re my previous OT post:
Barry Brook and John McClean come to virtual blows at BraveNewClimate:
http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/09/09/spot-the-recycled-denial-iv-%e2%80%93-climate-case-built-on-thin-foundation/
How is it that the Oz can keep putting these know-nothing twits to print?
11 September, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I mean McLean, Evans, etc. Not Brook.
Brooks only mistake appears to be that he bothers to waste time on these idiots.
11 September, 2008 at 3:21 pm
John McClean:
Computer consultant and occasional travel photographer.
What a pisser and what a pathalogical twit!
11 September, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I dont agree with calling Rad Pipper a troll, but if he was really consistent he would be over at Andy’s blog retorting all the idiots over there, who have tried to slam Obama over the “pig with lipstick” comment.
I reckon TZ sums it up perfectly with the comment “Bolt is very good at knowing how to lead his lemmings to the precipice and then step out of the way so they can take the final leap of illogic.”
Its exactly what he does, deep down he knows what he is doing, its one of the core practices of Bolt’s “journalism”. Numerous pawnings where Bolt has been shown to be completely defamatory and misleading have probably led Bolt to learn these little tactics, where he brings his idiot minions just close enough to do his bidding, leaving himself a margin to back-peddle if he really needs to.
Its just like when he posts something like “Whitlam enters hospital”, he knows what he is setting up, its got to the point where he only needs to type a few words and his flock of idiots will go where he wants them too.
The fact being that had one of the Republicans has made a similar comment, he would either ignore it, or come from a completely different angle, defending them as suffering the injustice of being misinterpreted.
11 September, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Comedian says jokes about republicans, Boltheads outraged
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_kind_of_animal_on_which_palin_feeds/
Seems the tactic is instead of being forced to write on Palins woeful record, just trawl the internet for anything nasty said about her to fit in with the “leftists hate women” narrative
11 September, 2008 at 4:37 pm
CoB – Interesting to note that there have been a few who have called him out on the comment asking where Obama actually mention Palin and also calling out McCain for the same comment in relation to Clinton. TZ was one of the many who were then abused for all manner of things for suggesting he did not actually say what Andy was trying to hint at saying.
11 September, 2008 at 4:40 pm
comic – Expect Andy to be in overdrive with Jon Stewart skits for the next few months based on that. I mean c’mon comedians have been making jokes about how crap dubya is for years now.
If he is going to have a go at a former ‘crack head’ maybe he should ask why a former cocaine and alcohol addict is in the oval office?
11 September, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Make no mistake Chris – ‘Rad’ is ‘Mighty Matt’, a troll who has been banned from Anonymous Lefty for flooding comments threads and arguing in patently bad faith.
I agree with you that he has not been particularly bad on this thread, mostly because he’s actually got a reasonable argument this time around, but his general inability to address points raised against him without resorting to cheap name calling, taunts and evasion will return the minute he’s on the back foot.
I will not post here while Matt is active simply because he deliberately ruins every interesting discussion thread he enters. He is a troll, and will eventually be banned – it’s just a question of how long the mods will continue to tolerate his deliberate disruption.
11 September, 2008 at 5:09 pm
“Blot”
11 September, 2008 at 5:36 pm
A good resource for real climate change skeptics:
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php
11 September, 2008 at 6:17 pm
“Expect Andy to be in overdrive with Jon Stewart skits for the next few months based on that. I mean c’mon comedians have been making jokes about how crap dubya is for years now.”
it’s just what i predicted. that steadfast resolute defence of bush by the rightwingers even when bush said the most stupidest things, and has proven the most incopetent president, they have now transferred that defence to palin. choose not to focus on her waferthin record by contantly looking at what the other side say about her. pathetic.
11 September, 2008 at 6:27 pm
I do agree that Rad Pipper does seem to have a tendency to completely ignore good refutations of his arguments, and just continue to repeat similar lines, and does display a pretty blinkered and naïvely positive opinion of Bolt’s work, but I don’t think what he has posted under the moniker “Rad Pipper”, qualifies as trollish behaviour. He may be the same person who uses the moniker “Mighty Matt”, but he does seem capable of at least some balance to his arguments. A troll in the real sense of the word is the “barp” individual.
Mondo, sorry but I have never come across this “Mighty Matt” before, so maybe you decision not to post here is based on knowledge that I don’t have, but even if Rad Pipper is Mighty Matt, I don’t think that his presence here should make you not post here. Isn’t that just letting a troll win. A the end of the day, you can just ignore what is posted.
11 September, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Good point Cosmijester. We dont seem to be hearing a lot from the Republicans and their supporters as to what positives Palin actually brings to the table. Instead its just a matter of condenming any criticisms of her as being sexist.
Howling down any critical analysis of her at all.
The Republicans are really into this smearing and negative stuff in a political campaign. Even if it occour in a reverse sort of a way. Thank god we dont have this level of BS in Australia, to be fair from either major political party. The conservatives and right-wingers seem to be inherently worse with the mud throwing stuff though, and our previous government seemed to be reading a lot from the Republican play book over the last few years.
11 September, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Never thought it would come to this:
…Rad…Ripper…is…absolutely…………correct (on this point.)
Bolt says Obama made a big mistake.
The response? What about the Iraq war! That’s a big mistake! Bolt wouldn’t know a big mistake if it bit him on the arse!
Stick to the issue people – linking one issue (Obama’s lipstick comment) with one of no relevance (Iraq) is kind of, er , Boltish. Babies in bags being a particularly disgusting manifestation of this modus operandi.
So relax, people. Obama may well have made a big mistake. Wait for the polls. Bolt notes that the phrase Obama has used is a common American phrase. Bolt says Obama didn’t mean it the way it has been reported.
Bolt’s fans come out and criticise Obama. Well hell, had they criticised Bolt you would all be rejoicing. He is not responsible for what his bloggers write. The dog whistle argument is wearing a bit thin. Personally, I read Bolt’s blog and never once read the comments. I couldn’t wish to read anything less.
And as for dog-whistles?
70-odd comments and counting to this post, all bar Rad and myself bashing into Bolt. Here boys. Goooood Boooys.
11 September, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Have a look at the banner genius…
11 September, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Who’s a grumpy widdle boy? Din-Dins?
11 September, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Seriously.
You all bag Bolt for not tolerating opposing views. Yet when it’s pointed out how little independent thought goes on here, you churlishly point at the “banner” and say that’s the whole point of the site. Perhaps, but pardon me for pointing out that for once Rad Ripper was speaking sense and you were all too blinkered to see it.
11 September, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Check out Bolt’s dogs as they are unleashed on the hapless Barry Bones:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/doing_nothing_really_is_cheaper/#commentsmore
Typical of Bolt’s GroupThinkTank. No one’s allowed to answer his smears and innuendo in kind but his critics are allowed to be routinely personally abused.
Why don’t you go and criticise that Daics? Until we’ve seen you do this: go away or be accused of the same hypocrisy in which Bolt indulges.
11 September, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Bolt: Doing nothing maximises our wealth and income over every other alternative.
The most juvenile and repugnant argument possible. And therefore hardly surprising it’s used by Bolt.
11 September, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Man that Tazzz is one great exponent for compassion and empathy.
As shallow as a Collingwood leadership meeting…
11 September, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Yep I reckon all those imbeciles falling over each other to post the most vitriolic and juvenile comment in response to Bones, is one of the most pathetic things about Bolt’s blog. Do they have nay idea how childish and school-yard like they look like. Sure Bones ubiquitously disagrees with every position Bolt takes, but most of what Bolt posts is one-eyed dribble anyway. I love the hold Bones has over these fools, and the way he stirs them up, its classic.
11 September, 2008 at 8:37 pm
That Tazz is a revolting piece of red-necked detritous.
11 September, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Why don’t you criticise Bolt though and leave his admittedly inane bloggers for another site? As we’re constantly reminded, this site is all about Bolt. So criticise him, by all means. I have many times. But who gives a fuck what some dickhead called Tazzz or Bones thinks about anything? You can’t seriously attribute these views to Bolt. Yes, its his blog and I suppose hes happy to boast about his trillion hits on it or whatever so maybe he should cop it. But you can’t seriously blame Bolt for the views of unnamed, anonymous sources, however offensive.
I think the word hypocrite gets thrown around a lot by hypocrites. I might be one. Wisdom can still be imparted by a hypocrite. The trick is to see it.
11 September, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Daics – Do you honestly think that if you made comments like those you did above on Bolts site directed at him or his views they would last?
I think not. In fact in this blog you have much greater freedom to comment and to defend your own views than you do in Boltworld.
11 September, 2008 at 8:56 pm
The issue being Daics, that Bolt and his mods frequently cesor non Bolt supporters that show half the vitriol that people like Tazzz do , or back reply with their own nasty little patronising replies. Bolt also frequently praises individual like Tazzz. He knows that in many ways people like this are implcitly doing his bidding.
“I think the word hypocrite gets thrown around a lot by hypocrites”
There certainly does seem to be a high correlation, I completely agree.
11 September, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Bones increases the comment on Bolts blog every time he posts. I have always suspected that he is Bolt just trolling up some comments on his own blog. Bones used to make lots of cilli spelling errors too much amusement and derision but the typos have stopped.
The whole Argument: “If China isn’t going to cut emissions then why should Australia?” It is kind of like saying: “If the police can’t stop all shoplifters then I will shoplift to even up the score”.
This shows Obama still leading where it counts on the electoral colleges poll: http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/electoral-college-results.html
11 September, 2008 at 10:38 pm
chris of brisbane, mondo is not “letting the troll win” by ignoring threads containg “might matty”, engaging with him is letting him win. this blog is not the centre of the universe and if someone here makes it unpleasant and takes all intelligence away from the discussions there is nothing for mondo to gain from being here.
i think he’s made the right call.
12 September, 2008 at 12:09 am
“this blog is not the centre of the universe”
I think it would be an extremelly unhealthy thing if it came close to being so for anyone. Sadly I think Bolt’s site is for a few people there.
I guess I am coming from the persecptive of the fact that I generally find Mondo’s posts very good and that they add a lot. It would be shame if a troll meant that he would not continue to add them.
12 September, 2008 at 1:01 am
Oh No! I’m a troll!
Where do I begin? How can I explain to Chris the fascist of Brisbane how it was that I came to Trollism?
You see, first I believed. That belief required action. The action required was trolling.
I was young and had no idea how to be a troll, so I sought out the ideas of elder trolls and begged them to initiate me into the dark art of trollery. At first they refused because they did not believe that I was one of them. Ultimately they relented and condescended to grant me minor troll status.
First I just lurked on websites, but eventually I built up the courage to come right out and troll in the full light of day. It wasn’t easy, pretending to be a troll when I really didn’t have it in me, but I persisted. Now I am a full troll! I did it! I wrote “Blot”!!
I admit it, I did it and I’m proud of my achievement. If Chris of The Parliamentary Annexe In George Street Brisbane thinks that I should be damned for my admission of trollery, I can’t change that. But I say give me freedom to troll!
So what if you do not agree with me? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: “Blot”!
Oh, and by the way Matt, you owe $50 to the charity of my choice, or at least you do morally if not legally. Now, let’s have another wager: since Obama is just as stuffed as you constantly assured everyone Rudd was, how about $1,000 to the charity of the winner’s choice as a side bet on Obama?
You know, just between trolls.
Barp.
12 September, 2008 at 1:31 am
Sorry Chris of Brisbane, Matt of no fixed address and Rad Pipper: Perhaps I should have pointed out, that was directly addressed to you.
Barp.
12 September, 2008 at 7:01 am
See Rad is back trolling……..have you had a go at Bolt and his sheep yet about their recent sexism?
Or are you what you are, a gutless troll? I suspect the troll.
12 September, 2008 at 9:00 am
See Rad is back trolling……..have you had a go at Bolt and his sheep yet about their recent sexism?
Or are you what you are, a gutless troll? I suspect the troll
Don’t be so stupid. It is not my job to attack people on Bolt’s blog. I have raised the sexist issue months ago on Bolt’s blog when some posters were attacking Hilary. In the last few month I have been doing what Daics does, I read bolt’s posts but ignore to comments.
The problem with some of you is that you spend more time focusing on what other’s are commenting on at Bolt’s blog when the real content is what Bolts says.
12 September, 2008 at 9:16 am
Daics – Do you honestly think that if you made comments like those you did above on Bolts site directed at him or his views they would last?
I think not. In fact in this blog you have much greater freedom to comment and to defend your own views than you do in Boltworld
There is one major flaw with your argument. Barry Bones. If you were correct then Barry Bones would not be allowed to comment on Bolt’s blog.
Also you wouldn’t have people on this blog stating this;
Bones increases the comment on Bolts blog every time he posts. I have always suspected that he is Bolt just trolling up some comments on his own blog*. Bones used to make lots of cilli spelling errors too much amusement and derision but the typos have stopped.
Or
Yep I reckon all those imbeciles falling over each other to post the most vitriolic and juvenile comment in response to Bones, is one of the most pathetic things about Bolt’s blog
* Of course you need to put aside the irrational conspiracy theory as windrider has no evidence to support his slander.
12 September, 2008 at 9:43 am
RadP – Barry Bones never directly attacks Bolt as Daics has done in the comment thread. Bones disputes the argument. Plays the Ball not the Man.
12 September, 2008 at 9:46 am
Onto Bolt column today:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_it_isnt_over_until_costello_leaves/
He still hangs onto hope that Peter “the greatest theoretical ever” Costello will change his mind and not retire.
12 September, 2008 at 9:51 am
RadP – Barry Bones never directly attacks Bolt as Daics has done in the comment thread. Bones disputes the argument. Plays the Ball not the Man.
And Barry never should directly attack Bolt. Direct attacks on people who Author this blog are also banned. There is no problem with that*.
*Of course direct attacks on people with opposing views are allowed on this site as they are on Bolt’s blog.
So what is your point then DBoP?
12 September, 2008 at 10:01 am
Rad, Dont you think that the kinds of fans that Bolt attracts is dependent on his style and the quality of his ‘journalism’?
It would be unfair, as you say, to blame Bolt for the comments of his fans, but surely if his writing was of a higher quality and the content less inflamatory his fans would be of a higher calibre.
It is very easy to control and direct the debate when you can snip, edit or remove anything that counters your point. It is also very easy to control and direct the behaviour of idiots with a few well chosen sentences. Andy sets ‘em up, his fans knock ‘em down.
He is also responsible for the degree of moderation which allow his nastier fans to abuse people without allowing much in the way of a response. I have been snipped and personally chided by Bolt for accusing him of cowardice (fair cop i guess), yet have been threatened with assault by ‘macca’ on several occasions without comment or snip for abuse.
So i feel it is unfair to outright blame Bolt for the nastier of comments, but it is fair to say he is smart enough to know what reaction he will get from his fans.
BTW i think Bolt has gotten better in recent months at stepping back from saying anything that will get him in legal worries, allowing his fans to say what he is too gutless to say publically.
He’s smart, and a good manipulator of the weak and stupid. He should be in politics!
12 September, 2008 at 10:03 am
My point as per about 20 comments ago was that Daics has more freedom (as any of us do) on this blog than on Bolt’s.
Your comment about direct attacks on other people is not entirely correct. You will find that in most cases attacks are directed at certain people without a right to reply.
And as you said yourself Rad “In the last few month I have been doing what Daics does, I read bolt’s posts but ignore to comments.”
So how do you know what the comments actually say in Boltworld?
12 September, 2008 at 10:11 am
It would be unfair, as you say, to blame Bolt for the comments of his fans, but surely if his writing was of a higher quality and the content less inflamatory his fans would be of a higher calibre.
I think that is is unfair for any blogger to be tarnished by those that comment.
He is also responsible for the degree of moderation which allow his nastier fans to abuse people without allowing much in the way of a response. I have been snipped and personally chided by Bolt for accusing him of cowardice (fair cop i guess), yet have been threatened with assault by ‘macca’ on several occasions without comment or snip for abuse
So are those that run this Blog. At times I have copped a deluge of abuse on this site. A level of abuse that causes those that disagree with the Authors a banning. Look at what happened to Husky_Jim. He was subjected to abuse and when he chose to defend himself he was threatened with banning. All done under the accusation of trolling.
It’s funny how those that have an opposing view are quickly labelled as trolls while those that agree with the author of this blog and hurl abuse freely are not.
12 September, 2008 at 10:15 am
So how do you know what the comments actually say in Boltworld?
I use to read the comments regularly.
One of the reasons why I don’t post on his site these days is because your comments are not instantly published. You have to wait hours before your comment is published. Also far too many comments appear on his blog and I don’t have the time to spend hours reading each and every comment.
So I decided several months ago to just focus on bolt’s posting.
12 September, 2008 at 10:22 am
“So i feel it is unfair to outright blame Bolt for the nastier of comments, ”
In the absence of any intervention by Bolt or his mods it’s fair to say that Andrew Bolt tacitly approves of the nasty comments. He’s quick enough to snip those with dissenting views and so slow to act or even do nothing at all about vile racist posts.
“BTW i think Bolt has gotten better in recent months at stepping back from saying anything that will get him in legal worries, allowing his fans to say what he is too gutless to say publically.”
That he is acting like a coward, if what you say is true is hardly ‘better’, It would make him a cowardly supporter of racist idiots. In my book that makes him worse than the people he consistently fails to moderate.
12 September, 2008 at 10:28 am
In the absence of any intervention by Bolt or his mods it’s fair to say that Andrew Bolt tacitly approves of the nasty comments
The same is done on this blog site. I have received a lot of abuse on this blog site.
He’s quick enough to snip those with dissenting views and so slow to act or even do nothing at all about vile racist posts.
I find this hard to believe. Given that Bolt does not own the URL, any racist comments posted on his blog site would get the newspaper in trouble.
Can you supply a link to where a racist comment has been allowed to stay on his blog site.
That he is acting like a coward, if what you say is true is hardly ‘better’, It would make him a cowardly supporter of racist idiots.
It would make the newspaper a supporter of racist idiots so please provide evidence of this as it is a serious issue if true.
12 September, 2008 at 10:31 am
“if what you say is true is hardly ‘better’”
Agreed RobJ.
I meant ‘better’ in the context of more skillfuly manipulating his fans behaviour and avoiding legal problems for himself, while still getting his opinion out there. Its possible to be really good at doing something really bad, if that makes sense!
I find him loathsome, personally.
12 September, 2008 at 10:45 am
“I meant ‘better’ in the context of more skillfuly manipulating his fans behaviour and avoiding legal problems for himself,”
Gotcha DbD ;o)
“I find him loathsome, personally.”
Me too – Actually beneath contempt. His fans – shockers! Just before he went on Q&A one of his stupid sycophants was painting a picture – saying the ‘lefties’ when it’s not their turn will be shaking their heads and talking over others – LOL – Bolt gets on the show , what does he do when it’s not his turn – shake his head and talk over others. Did his sycophants comment – not likely, hypocritical buffooons.
12 September, 2008 at 10:50 am
He’s quick enough to snip those with dissenting views and so slow to act or even do nothing at all about vile racist posts
I take your silence to my request;
Can you supply a link to where a racist comment has been allowed to stay on his blog site.
As an admission that you cannot back up your slanderous claims.
I find it interesting that people are the first to scream that bolt and others are misrepresenting people and being deceptive, but are more than happy to make utterly slanderous claims about people like Bolt.
Rob it is not ethical to claim that Bolt supports racists post and not supply evidence to back up your claims.
Bolt’s blog is owned by the Herald Sun. When you make a slanderious claim about Bolt’s blog like that you are making it about the Herald Sun.
12 September, 2008 at 10:55 am
“I take your silence to my request;”
Can’t you remember yesterday? I advised you to stop wasting keystrokes, I’m “finished with you” – it’s futile trying to debate with you. I don’t even bother with more than a cursory glance at your posts.
12 September, 2008 at 10:55 am
“Can you supply a link to where a racist comment has been allowed to stay on his blog site.”
Yes Rad, i think we can.*
“there is absolutely nothing to admire about aboriginal culture. it is one of the worst devised, apart from Islam that is….” Lethal of WA
“Dead right too !!why dont they realise that its tme to get civilised ! or cant u get bludgers funds for that!do something for yourselves for a change its yourselves that create the problems you have.” Truthman
“Rich…aboriginal culture, but nowadays most of it is found in the bottoms of a goonie or flagon.
I personally find most aboriginals, about 80%, reprehensible…”
*http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/if_the_culture_is_so_good_why_are_the_results_so_bad/
12 September, 2008 at 10:59 am
Can’t you remember yesterday? I advised you to stop wasting keystrokes, I’m “finished with you” – it’s futile trying to debate with you. I don’t even bother with more than a cursory glance at your posts.
You should be ashamed of yourself. You make slanderous claims about Bolt and the newspaper that owns his blog site and you refuse to back up your claim with evidence.
Then when challenged to provide evidence, you hide behind the “Troll Card”. How convenient!
Well at least you have answered one question. You are full of shit. Bolt does NOT support racist post.
12 September, 2008 at 11:03 am
Chris M replied to DbD
Thu 11 Sep 08 (08:37pm)
“…Similarly as some physical evidence has been found of humans and dinosaur-type creatures being in the same area at the same time we cannot prove or disprove that one either – again neither of us were there to know for sure.
So what is your problem with this and why is it so amusing?”
Yep. You heard it here first…Jesus rode a dinosaur.
FUCKING CLOWN SHOES!
12 September, 2008 at 11:03 am
DbD
Those comments are not racist. They are no different to comments commonly made about American or Australian culture.
To comment on the negative aspect of an individual culture is not racist. It is true that there are elements of modern day aboriginal and Islamic culture that is negative. Their treatment of women is evidence of this. Now it is not racist to highlight this.
Look at all the comments that have been made about palin and rednecks. Do you consider that racism?
The problem you have is you are trying to confuse political correctness with racism.
12 September, 2008 at 11:08 am
Here is an example for you;
“there is absolutely nothing to admire about aboriginal culture. it is one of the worst devised, apart from Islam that is….” Lethal of WA
Now lets replace this sentice with American and Australian;
“there is absolutely nothing to admire about American culture. it is one of the worst devised, apart from Australianthat is….” Lethal of WA
Do you think the second sentence is racism?
12 September, 2008 at 11:14 am
For a white to refer to another white as a red neck is not racist rad.
Its may be classist, though.
Get your ‘ist’s’ straight mate!
I think it might be you who is confusing racism with political correctness.
12 September, 2008 at 11:15 am
For a white to refer to another white as a red neck is not racist rad.
Its may be classist, though.
Get your ‘ist’s’ straight mate
But is it racist for an Asian to refer to a white person as a redneck?
12 September, 2008 at 11:17 am
DbD – You’re wasting your time, Rad is an imbecile, he can’t even recognise what constitutes a racist statement – even when presented to him in plain English, either that or he’s being dishonest – stupid or a liar?
12 September, 2008 at 11:21 am
Rad – You are full of organs*
UN definition of racism:
the term “racial discrimination” shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, religion,descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life
Don’t try and say that someone trashing Aboriginals and islam in one comment is not racist or full of hate. You asked for links and they have been provided. I am sure that many more can be supplied but please stop the b-s argument. What next Rad? “Name just ten racist comments”
* replace the word ‘organs’ with ’shit’
12 September, 2008 at 11:22 am
DbD – You’re wasting your time, Rad is an imbecile, he can’t even recognise what constitutes a racist statement – even when presented to him in plain English, either that or he’s being dishonest – stupid or a liar?
I would be very careful Rob. You have made a very serious accusation about Bolt and the Herald sun that owns his blog site.
You want to be sure that you understand what constitutes racism because racism is a VERY serious charge.
12 September, 2008 at 11:25 am
Don’t try and say that someone trashing Aboriginals and islam in one comment is not racist or full of hate
OK well then you would have to agree that people slandering Palin as a redneck are also racist. Also those that trash American culture are also racist, according to your definition.
12 September, 2008 at 11:26 am
“Don’t try and say that someone trashing Aboriginals and islam in one comment is not racist or full of hate. You asked for links and they have been provided.”
DbD – The imbecile is trolling you and attempting to troll me, you know this, there’s no sport to be had, Rad is just too easy to plant in a debate due to his dishonesty (or is that stupidity?)
12 September, 2008 at 11:27 am
Rad(?), conveniently forgets Simon of Tasmania’s
post at Bolt’s blog (Fri 05 Sep 08 (06:37am))
They are opportunistic, pretty much like us white man and they continue to be opportunistic and take everything they can from us white suckers.
Cowardly changed by Bolt’s mods, without informing the readers mind you, to:
They are opportunistic, pretty much like us whites.
You’re makin’ a plonker of yourself Matt…
12 September, 2008 at 11:28 am
Nice trolling Rad – The argument is about Bolt allowing and leaving obivously racist comments on his blog site. Don’t deflect. It has been proven to you that he does allow hateful racist comments to stay there.
Will you admit that????????
12 September, 2008 at 11:29 am
DbD – The imbecile is trolling you and attempting to troll me, you know this, there’s no sport to be had, Rad is just too easy to plant in a debate due to his dishonesty (or is that stupidity?)
LOL Oh it’s the Troll Card again. When you can no loger handle the other side of the debate, you try & shut it down with the Troll Card.
12 September, 2008 at 11:32 am
They are opportunistic, pretty much like us white man and they continue to be opportunistic and take everything they can from us white suckers.
Cowardly changed by Bolt’s mods, without informing the readers mind you, to:
They are opportunistic, pretty much like us whites
Please provide the link.
if this is true, it proves that Bolt does not support racist comments. He has moderated the comment to remove the racist element.
12 September, 2008 at 11:35 am
Nice trolling Rad – The argument is about Bolt allowing and leaving obivously racist comments on his blog site. Don’t deflect. It has been proven to you that he does allow hateful racist comments to stay there
I dispute that the comments referenced are racist.
hence my example of changing the words Aboriginal with American. If the comments were racist, then by changing the word, the comment should remain racist. If it doesn’t then the comment is not racist.
Now answer the question and stop deflecting.
Here is an example for you;
“there is absolutely nothing to admire about aboriginal culture. it is one of the worst devised, apart from Islam that is….” Lethal of WA
Now lets replace this sentice with American and Australian;
“there is absolutely nothing to admire about American culture. it is one of the worst devised, apart from Australianthat is….” Lethal of WA
Do you think the second sentence is racism?
12 September, 2008 at 11:37 am
Here’s a, hopefully, one-way ticket over to your utopia Matt…
12 September, 2008 at 11:39 am
That’s it I am out of here. I cannot stand this B-S anymore.
Rad I tips my hat to you. Your ability to not answer a direct question and show that something that is obvious as the quotes provided shows how idiotic you can be.
I am not going to waste any more time on you troll.
12 September, 2008 at 11:42 am
“The imbecile is trolling you and attempting to troll me”
RobJ, I came to that conclusion too, whilst on the loo.
Spooky!
Its a shame Rad resorts to this sort of ‘organs’* when proven wrong. He can debate logically when he wants to, so i would guess he is motivated by ideology, stubborness and dishonesty rather than stupidity.
* terry pratchett?
12 September, 2008 at 11:45 am
Is this what it comes down to from opposing views?
Mighty Matt Rad -
Incessant, hollow and unbelievably child-like.
kDaics -
High-brow, cocksure and an unbelievable fence sitter.
Both with undying support for their racist supporter…
12 September, 2008 at 11:54 am
“He can debate logically when he wants to, ‘
Heh – That’s why In got sucked in, I didn’t previously think of him as a troll, just opinionated like the rest of us, with a different POV but he gave me the shits yesterday with his BS then his pseudo legal threats today made me pity him, what a dill.
I wouldn’t post that Bolt tacitly approves vile racist comments on his site if I couldn’t back it up, too bad for Rad though he can whinge and bitch all he likes about me not being man enough to debate him. I knew it would take all of two minutes for someone else here to furnish him with examples of racist post on Bolt’s site, when it happened Rad denied that they were racist – My god, if that doesn’t prove that he’s a troll at least it proves that he’s an idiot. personally I think he’s dishonest and a troll and with his denials of the blatantly obvious I also conclude that he’s stupid. Hence my reluctance to bother engaging with him, I enjoy debating with people that have different points of view, sometimes my mind gets changed or I soften my stance on certain issues when I’m presented with an intelligent counter argument but I won’t engage with idiot, dishonest, trolls.
12 September, 2008 at 11:54 am
Back to palin,
i thought her speech was fucking cheesy, typically American and thoroughly uninspiring.
If the yanks vote in these scary clowns again, i reckon they get what they deserve.
12 September, 2008 at 11:56 am
“He can debate logically when he wants to, ‘
like the end of last week when he was halfway reasonable. even i responded!
what happened rad? why have you reverted to your usual self?
12 September, 2008 at 11:57 am
Is this what it comes down to from opposing views?
It comes down to you being unable to debate any opposing view to your own.
At least I am willing to debate opposing views that I do not agree with. Unlike those on this blog who eventually degrade to name calling and abuse when the person with the opposing view will not accept their point of view as gospel.
Hence the oh so convenient Mighty Matt and Troll cards. When you can no longer handle the debate, you use these as a way to shut down debate.
12 September, 2008 at 11:58 am
just saw palin interviewed on cbs news. she was stupmed by one question from the interviewer:
“do you agree with president bush?”
she faltered, smiled, smiled a bit more, then asked “in respect to what?” dodging. definately dodging. the democrats have to pursue that angle with mcpalin to show them for the change frauds they are.
12 September, 2008 at 12:00 pm
i thought her speech was fucking cheesy, typically American and thoroughly uninspiring
Ah the racist test. Lets apply it to this comment.
i thought her speech was fucking cheesy, typically Aboriginal and thoroughly uninspiring
Now I ask you again. Are these comments racist?
12 September, 2008 at 12:03 pm
what happened rad? why have you reverted to your usual self?
The deal is nothing has changed. When we agree on something you seem to think it is reasonable debate. When we disagree, you throw in the Troll Card.
I have not changed my style of debate or my reason.
You just have to accept that someone isn’t a troll simply because they disagree and dispute your point of view.
12 September, 2008 at 12:05 pm
How’d ya go with the link Rad(?).
Any thoughts to the disingenuous move by Bolt & his mods.
Or, again, do you just ignore blatant opposing facts and start trolling on another topic?
12 September, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Jesus Rad, you just destroyed your own argument.
12 September, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Or, again, do you just ignore blatant opposing facts and start trolling on another topic?
I dispute the argument that criticism of a culture is racism. There is a lot to criticise in all cultures. No culture is perfect.
Just because someone criticises aboriginal culture, it doesn’t make it racist compared to someone criticising American culture. Now you can call them ignorant, stupid or wrong, but racist is not the right term.
Because of this, bolt leaving comments, like those highlighted about, does not constitute bolt supporting racist comments.
12 September, 2008 at 12:14 pm
“Fries are done”…
12 September, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Using 9/11 to take a few cheap shots at Obama, one of the more childish and distasteful of bolts and his minions
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/one_seemed_in_charge_and_at_home/#commentsmore
“McCain appeared with his wife. Obama didn’t. ”
“Cindy McCain was given a pin by one heavily medalled officer. Obama stopped to hug one other officer, the black woman. ”
Pathetic
12 September, 2008 at 12:21 pm
You forgot to include this
Yes, the prime focus is and should be with the victims, but the presence of both Barack Obama and John McCain inevitably invite comparisons … and here’s what many will have noticed.
OMG those evil comparisons. Do you think that bolt is plotting evil?
12 September, 2008 at 12:29 pm
And as Tobias said:
(Watch the Bolt-strokers) take the final leap of illogic…
12 September, 2008 at 12:30 pm
“just saw palin interviewed on cbs news. she was stupmed by one question from the interviewer:
“do you agree with president bush?”
she faltered, smiled, smiled a bit more, then asked “in respect to what?””
Just heard it on the World Today, she has no foreign policy knowledge, ah well, nor did GW Bush and he is a two termer.
12 September, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Sorry,
TZ didn’t say what’s between the brackets.
12 September, 2008 at 12:37 pm
“OMG those evil comparisons. Do you think that bolt is plotting evil?”
No, it’s just petty and childish to use an emotional day as a patriotism pissing contest.
Nemesis12 hears Bolt’s dog whislte loud and clear
”
Obama stopped to hug one other officer, the black woman.
..like this comes as a surprise.
Nemesis12 (Reply)
Fri 12 Sep 08 (08:27am) “
12 September, 2008 at 1:36 pm
“she has no foreign policy knowledge, ah well, nor did GW Bush and he is a two termer.”
sarah palin: george w bush with lipstick.
12 September, 2008 at 1:42 pm
lol!!! news of palin’s interview i heard this morning have made it to bolt’s comparing it to hanson:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_palin_gets_the_hanson_sneer/desc/#commentsmore
Emily: “Remember when Pauline Hanson famously said during an interview “Please explain”? Well Charlie Gibson of ABC News America has just held the first TV interview with Sarah Palin since she was put on the McCain ticket. Unfortunately though for Sarah she had her own “Pauline” moment.”
clue: this is what happens when lightweights are given far more kudos than their record suggests their entitled to. hahahah.
12 September, 2008 at 1:54 pm
whats the bet the boltards blame media bias
12 September, 2008 at 1:59 pm
yep, right on cue the msm bias:
“Gordon from Perth replied to Emily
Fri 12 Sep 08 (01:41pm)
Contrived “gotchas” from Leftwing journos are hardly going to put people off Palin. All it will do is increase our contempt for the stupidly biased MSM.”
every journalist is a leftwing, biased and stupid. except andy of course who tells the TRUTH.
12 September, 2008 at 2:13 pm
“All it will do is increase our contempt for the stupidly biased MSM.””
The idiot reads the Sun published by News Corp, participates in a News Corp blog so he readily consumes what he considers “stupidly biased”
I guess Jilted John the spoof punk rocker from the late 70’s was bang on when he sang “Gordon is a moron” LOL
12 September, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Classic Bolt.
“Yes, the prime focus is and should be with the victims, but….”
Then he goes on to use this tragic day for some political point scoring.
Fucking pathetic hypocrite. If one of these ‘left biased journos’ he’s always harping on about were to use the aniversary of an event like 9/11 to score points against the conservatives he would be spitting shit, as would his monkeys.
12 September, 2008 at 2:48 pm
He’s a hypocrite all right – I can say this without fear of being sued. LOL. He’s a vile character – he’s the newspaper version of a shock jock, bugger all integrity, just chasing the ratings, he’s the Today Tonight of Australian newspapers.
There are a few things I can agree with him on but overall anything he writes can be taken with a massive pinch of salt. What’s worrying is the amount of racists that rise to his dog whistle I don’t meet people like this in the street or in work, I guess most racists are just cowards, acting tough with their defamatory comments – typed from the safety of their keyboards..
12 September, 2008 at 2:57 pm
“the Today Tonight of Australian newspapers.”
LOL!
Too true. Id love to see Bolt with his own tacky little tv show.
He could call it the The Daily Dog Whistle.
12 September, 2008 at 3:00 pm
crikey has fun with the conservative wingnuts fascination with palin:
“The outrage is also rather poorly-balanced by the reaction of conservative men. Tumescent right-wingers the world over, and in Australia, have been wolf-whistling at the hottest governor from the coldest state:
“Am I the only bloke who finds something strangely appealing about a woman who is able to hunt and gather her own rabbits?” asked Liberal frontbencher Peter Dutton.
“She’s an attractive woman,” Tony Abbott felt obliged to declare, although he also thinks Barack Obama is “handsome” (it’s only a couple of weeks since he declared his love for Peter Costello).
“As an immigrant, I’m not saying I came to the United States purely to meet chicks like that,” said the Far Right’s village idiot, Mark Steyn, “but it was certainly high on my list of priorities.”
“Palin in fact looks much as Hollywood imagined its first Commander in Chief to be when it cast Geena Davis in the role,” thrilled Steyn wannabe Andrew Bolt.
Governor Palin is clearly conservative v-agra.”
lol!!
12 September, 2008 at 3:13 pm
“Too true. Id love to see Bolt with his own tacky little tv show.”
Sicko ;o) – On the positive side it would be great fodder for the Chaser ( to whom I owe my knowledge of Today Tonight)
12 September, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I rest my case regarding Andrew Bolt being a Hansonite.
12 September, 2008 at 3:57 pm
BTW – I missed the historical posts where Andrew had to eat humble pie in relation to Nicole Cornes. Kudos to him for at least posting the links:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_palin_gets_the_hanson_sneer/
It’s still hypocrisy though.
12 September, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Actually, RobJ, I don’t read the Sun. I read Andrew Bolt’s blog on the News Ltd site. AB is an opinion writer, and as such of course he is biased. Anyone who doesn’t realise that wants their head examined. And Tim Dunlop, another News Ltd blogger, is biased as well – to the Left, rather than to the Right.
The fact that the MSM in America is biased towards the Left is hardly a way-out-there idea. Last poll I saw showed that most Americans (78.3% of Republicans and even 58.5% of Democrats) believe that the media is actively trying to get Obama elected. And that poll was taken before Palin came along.
“News” programs and supposedly objective interviewers do themselves no favours when they reinforce peoples’ opinions of that bias.
I’m glad that all sorts of opinion blogs from all points on the political spectrum are available to us – I’m glad that people who want to blog at Bolt’s can, and that people who want to blog here, can. But neither Bolt’s nor this blog try to pass themselves off as unbiased “news.”
When it comes to MSM “News,” I’m not alone in wishing they’d just shut up and report rather than actively promoting their causes.
Finally, I’d have preferred you all to confront my comment over there on Bolt’s, where I made it, rather than scurrying off here to dis it. I really have no desire to become a part of your blogging community here.
Cheers.
12 September, 2008 at 9:07 pm
The fact that the MSM in America is biased towards the Left is hardly a way-out-there idea. Last poll I saw showed that most Americans (78.3% of Republicans and even 58.5% of Democrats) believe that the media is actively trying to get Obama elected. And that poll was taken before Palin came along.
You conflate two points here to pass one off as fact.
The MSM may very well be more fabourably disposed towards Obama – hardly surprising after 2 terms of Bush and the unpopularity of Iraq.
To then claim this as proof that the MSM is biased to the “Left” is not necessarily logical or reasonable.
12 September, 2008 at 9:36 pm
You’re correct, DeanL. I was wrong to use the word “fact,” as the poll only proves what peoples’ opinions are. That 78.3% of Republicans and 58.5% of Democrats (a total of 64.9% of Americans) believe that the media is spruiking for Obama (who is of the Left) proves only what the opinion of the majority of Americans is. I don’t know that there’s a quantitative way to measure whether their opinions are, in fact, correct.
The rest of my statement I stand by, and if you’d like to discuss it further, again – I’m happy to take it up on Bolt’s, where my original comment came from.
12 September, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Man, that Palin b*tch is insane…
She sends her son to a war she knows is garbage and the outgoing commander of US troops in Iraq (Petraeus) has said that America will never have victory there.
ummm… nevermind that, it’s too much of a political opportunity to surround the republican campaign with as much G.I JOE bullshit as possible. She obviously didn’t have the spine to tell her son that it wasn’t really worth risking his life, not even to muster up a few more votes from dumb rednecks.
12 September, 2008 at 11:14 pm
It’s a good point Spark.
But, I bet, he’ll be sharpening the store room pencils in ‘The Bubble’.
And hats of to Gordon for his polite and eloquent response…
13 September, 2008 at 12:29 am
The perils of a pit bull on the Oval Office mat
…And the last thing the US and the world need is another occupant of the Oval Office with little more to offer than bellicose naivety.
Now that’s good…
13 September, 2008 at 7:11 am
Gordon of Perth is one of the few on Bolts’ blog that is not abusive and does talk sense most of the time when he post.
13 September, 2008 at 8:51 am
“Finally, I’d have preferred you all to confront my comment over there on Bolt’s, where I made it, rather than scurrying off here to dis it. I really have no desire to become a part of your blogging community here.”
There’s no scurrying, I don’t participate at Bolt’s, it’s futile, I haven’t for months, the moderation is ridiculously biased, it’s the MSM after all.
13 September, 2008 at 8:58 am
“The fact that the MSM in America is biased towards the Left is hardly a way-out-there idea.”
It depends what you mean by the left, left of George Bush? Having read a fair bit of Bolt’s blog over the last twelve months where you are a regular participant, reading almost daily, someone hysterically typing “the left” I’d question your own political compass.
14 September, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Well Andy’s of on holidays, so I’m not sure what his pack of imbeciles are going to do with themselves for the next month or so. I am convinced that Bolt’s blog has become the centre of the universe for many right-wing, red-neck inclined fokes, which is terribly sad and unhealthy.
Andy’s posts declaring a break for holidays, tend to have the ability to produce the most sickening posts of praise and arse-kissing from his drones that you are likely to ever see. These poor sycophantic such holes, hanging out for the slight chance that they might get the thrill of their blogging overlord, personally posting a few words back to them.
15 September, 2008 at 6:35 am
What’s more of a worry is that a lot of his sheep go to Boltas’ blog for the news and they hang of every word he says.
15 September, 2008 at 7:33 am
“Andy’s posts declaring a break for holidays, tend to have the ability to produce the most sickening posts of praise and arse-kissing from his drones that you are likely to ever see.”
It’s ridiculous, he’s a crap journalist who can’t do simple arithmetic and often forgets to use a spell checker – That’s not hard working, it’s sloppy. Rumour has it that he gets $300k per year for his sloppy writing and dog whistling.
Ah well, I suppose he generates traffic and News evidently doesn’t care what type of traffic so long as they can generate advertising revenue.
15 September, 2008 at 8:53 am
Keep watch for the man of the people talking on a current affair about how to avoid toll roads and save money.
15 September, 2008 at 10:10 am
“I am convinced that Bolt’s blog has become the centre of the universe for many right-wing, red-neck inclined fokes, which is terribly sad and unhealthy.”
not too mention the many of his regulars that say he is their only source of news because msm is bias to the left. now that is terribly sad and unheathly.
15 September, 2008 at 10:22 am
“not too mention the many of his regulars that say he is their only source of news because msm is bias to the left.”
Left of John Howard and Pauline Hanson maybe, thing is they (Boltards) don’t realise that Bolt is part of the MSM. Newscorp being one of the worlds largest media companies and Bolt writing for Australia’s biggest selling paper, you don’t get more mainstream than that.
15 September, 2008 at 10:38 am
“you don’t get more mainstream than that.”
it’s hilarious isn’t it? their anti establisment hero a mere cog in the news ltd wheel. where will the sheep get their news from now he is on holiday. timmy maybe if american news is your thing.
15 September, 2008 at 11:29 am
I wonder what the grods team thought of this comment on Bolt’s happy holidays thread:
“Tennis eh? huh. I had you pegged as a golfer Andrew.
Peter Turner (Reply)
Mon 15 Sep 08 (08:52am) “
15 September, 2008 at 11:30 am
I thought that was a closeup of Andy’s ugly mug on the ACA promo.
Avoiding road tolls?! I’d have thought the “user-pays fraternity” would have been happy with the concept of road tolls. They seemed to be when Kennett was the one bringing them in…
15 September, 2008 at 11:31 am
I’d love the thought of lining up a full-blooded smash with Andy hovering at the net…
15 September, 2008 at 11:32 am
Why are the Left so violent…
15 September, 2008 at 11:39 am
Dean – I was more picturing Bolt being “pegged” as per:
http://www.grods.com/post/2963/
As for tennis – If someone wants to try and cover the net they better be ready to have a few shot at the body.
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