By Jeremy
The stunningly attractive tim Blair demonstrates again today just why he’s known as a political heavyweight. Watch as he comprehensively demolishes Irfan Yusuf’s recent piece in the Sydney Morning Herald:
The greater danger to two-faced, five-chinned Irfan’s life is his own diet.
Boom, tish! Zing! Take that, fatso!
That’s the most debate-ending refutation of a person’s very right to have an opposing political opinion since tim’s justly famous series a few years ago on why no-one should listen to a former US Vice President talking on the subject of climate change because (and I’m only very slightly paraphrasing) “Al Gore Is Fat And Unattractive”.
I just wish we had some way to respond in kind. If only tim weren’t so devilishly handsome!
This from a site where people get called ten different kinds of fuckwit and other terms of endearment? How is the abuse on this site different from Blair’s juvenile behaviour?
1. Where?
2. If commenters insult each other, then that’s one thing (and tim’s lucky we’re not blogging here about his Blairville comment threads); if someone who’s claiming to be a journalist pathetically resorts to calling people fat – and as regularly as tim does – then that’s worthy of comment.
timmy is still leading with that ENORMOUS glass jaw. but not only does he mock irfan’s looks, he mocks irfan’s low blog posts. a quick glance at his own numbers show he ain’t doing much better than irfan except when lefties invade to laugh at his palin derangement syndrome.
“How is the abuse on this site different from Blair’s juvenile behaviour?”
It’s not trying to masquerade as journalism for a kick off.
Blair likes to incite violence and judge people by their appearance, what a nasty idiot he is! I don’t read his blog and only know about his fuckwittery from this blog. I do wonder why anybody would read it? Unless of course it’s to take the piss and point out his consistent idiocy.
Blair has been enthusiastically embracing the role of the Peter Pan of Australian journalism for most of his professional career. His willingness to indulge his inner child is what sets him apart from professional and/or serious commentators.
But like all children he is completely oblivious to his double standards. He openly mocks beahviour in other commentators that he regularly engages in himself – apparently without realising that he’s being hypocritical. He believes it’s funny to deride Hillary Clinton for having thick ankles, yet will accuse other commentators of vapidity for mocking Palin’s pathetic performance as a politician.
And if any doubt remains as to the utter paucity of sensible analysis in Blair’s work it is easily dismissed by his regular attacks on ideological opponents on the basis of their physical appearance. Nothing could better highlight just how childish and insipid Blair’s worldview remains.
Which is not to say that I don’t like his work. He’s actually quite an amusing writer in his own way – he just needs to stop pretending that he’s anything more than a comedian. His coiterie of bully-boy fans don’t deserve even the thin veneer or respectability offered by the mischaracterisation of their patron as a ‘journalist’.
You will be pleased to note someone has commented about your post in Blair’s comments.
How much would have Tim squaled if someone said “Four eyed, balding, badly ageing hack”
By the way, above I’ve only quoted one of tim’s hilarious fatty fatty fatso jibes from that post, wittily titled “FED OR ALIVE”.
He also calls Irfan a “chair tester” and “Mesopotamia Fats”.
Why restrict yourself to one embarrassingly childish and mystifyingly irrelevant taunt when you can use four?
just out of curiosity before timmy got cancer did he ever make fun of sick people?
“You will be pleased to note someone has commented about your post in Blair’s comments.”
yeah and notice they only take issue with the blog posts. must be fine with the fact that their all suffering palin derangement syndrome.
from timmy’s comments: “i was googling irfan yusuf and fat just to amuse myself.”
enough said.
The problem with Blair, and Bolt for that manner, is that it would be fine to have the held as political satirists and I could actually laugh at some of the efforts put forward by Blair, if there wasn’t this overlap with the illusionary concept that B1 and B2 should have their opinions held in anyway as respectable ones, contributed by journalists who add in any way, to the debates of our time.
So let Blair have his little website and I will visit and have a chuckle every now and then, at some of his stuff which can be quite funny, Bolt is less clever in the humour stakes, and seems to have the ridiculous notion that he is an intelligent journalists and philosopher go to his head more than Blair.
But its when these donkeys are afforded positions on serious shows like Q and A and have their “work” cited by actual journalists that the real problems occur.
Bolt and Blair are there, as a warning that this affliction can happen to you.Imagine if you said to Blair how is your terminal cancer going? all hell would break loose.
Blair tried to tell a fat joke as a final comment on Insiders but Barry Cassidey cut him off before he could finish it. How he failed to learn from that embarrassing experience that fat jokes make the teller look like a nasty school boy is beyond me.
God knows why Tim is throwing stones, if you are accusing others of being unattractive you at least have to look half human yourself.
I saw Tim on Q & A and he looked like a drunk truck driver who hadn’t slept in 10 days.
Everyone can say what they want, Tim can say whatever he wants, but it just becomes laughable when tries to portray him self as an intelligent journo.
Wait. Make that “How Blair failed to learn from that embarrassing experience that nasty, school boy humour is so unfunny it’s embarrassing is beyond me”. Blair obviously knows fat jokes are nasty, school boy material. He just hasn’t grown up yet.
It was funny though
Really? There are adults who find “you’re fat” funny?
Has anyone noticed that Bolt’s blog has gone completely psycho in his absence?
Also that all the thousand posts a day (or whatever it is they claim), emanate from the same dozen or so posters?
Old Lefty – The level of commentary on his blog always drops off when he is on leave. The reasons could be:
1. A lack of articles from Bolt leaves commentators to look for targets. Also it concentrates the wingnuts into one pile rather than spreading them out like manure;
2. Reduced standard of moderation. A Slatt’s states they normally let Bolt have the final say on what is allowed in.
3. the combination of the above results in the trolls on the site trying to out-do each other.
“Really? There are adults who find “you’re fat” funny?”
Yes, there are unfortunately, adults who are rather immature. You know, the type that hang off the words of Blair or Bolt.
“1. A lack of articles from Bolt leaves commentators to look for targets. Also it concentrates the wingnuts into one pile rather than spreading them out like manure;”
lol!! i’ve havent’ been to bolt blog for a while now cause the forum was always the worst part about his blog, dominated by oldies who just use it for a daily whinge. but your right about concentrates the wingnuts. not just oldies now but the worst of bolts sheep all clustered in the same space. scary.
“Really? There are adults who find “you’re fat” funny?”
Yep. It is funny. Mocking peoples physical short comings is great entertainment. I wouldn’t expect you to understand though, since you are often on the wrong side of it i’m guessing.
“Yes, there are unfortunately, adults who are rather immature. You know, the type that hang off the words of Blair or Bolt.”
As opposed to the pinnacles of maturity often seen at this blog? Including its primary contributors?
You have to be kidding.
Guess what guys, saying ‘fuck’ a lot doesn’t make you witty, or mature for that matter!
“Yep. It is funny”
The disabled?
“Mocking peoples physical short comings ”
You’re one sick prick!
“Guess what guys, saying ‘fuck’ a lot doesn’t make you witty, or mature for that matter!”
I’m not claiming to be witty but I am contending that you are very immature considering you believe it is funny to mock the disabled.
Go on – back pedal and deny, it’s fine, you’ve written it in black and white! Prick!
“I wouldn’t expect you to understand though, since you are often on the wrong side of it i’m guessing.”
I’ve only seen the photos of Jeremy on his blog, doesn’t look particularly physically challenged to me. In fact he looks a lot healthier and a lot better looking than Tim Blair, who like your immature self believes fat jokes are funny.
“I’m not claiming to be witty but I am contending that you are very immature considering you believe it is funny to mock the disabled”
Obesity and ugliness are disabilities? Fair enough.
“Go on – back pedal and deny, it’s fine, you’ve written it in black and white! Prick!”
I stand by my slurs.
“Obesity and ugliness are disabilities? Fair enough.”
They’re physical shortcomings (your own words), as are blindness, deafness, cerebral palsy etc etc.
Ugliness – that’s purely subjective, there is no doubt in my mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To laugh at somebody because in your own opinion they’re not attractive to you is rather immature imho.
“I stand by my slurs.”
Refreshing. Though, you’re still a prick who thinks its fun to laugh at physical shortcomings, at least you’re an honest prick! ;o)
I’m going out on a limb here, but I actually agree with gtg. Mocking people for their appearance can be quite funny in certain circumstances. I’d be lying if I said that I haven’t occasionally had a hearty giggle at fat jokes or retard jokes (loved Tropic Thunder). I know it’s not very PC but . . . well . . . can a person actually suppress their own sense of humour?
The issue here, however, is not whether Blair’s fat taunts were funny – it’s whether their inclusion in his writing belies a fundamental immaturity that runs throughout his analysis of political issues. As much as I occasionally like a good fat joke, I am at least sensible enough to realise that directly taunting an opponent for being fat during a political debate automatically identifies me as a childish idiot, and by implication identifies my views as those held by a childish idiot.
Which is why I say that Blair is funny, but that his political commentary should be regarded as little more than a vehicle for his comedy routines. Essentially he occupies the same position as Sandra Bernhardt within the spectrum of political commentators.
the other problem with timmy’s childish mocking of others is it just shows what a crap ‘journalist’ he is. proper journalists would be able to find substance things to knock their opponents. it’s just slack lazy writing that all blair can do is link to a site that hangs shit on jeremy or put shit on the way people look instead of criticise their view or arguments. besides, if you were as gross looking as blair would you be so quick to knock other peoples looks? again the man stop leading with his glass jaw.
“I’m going out on a limb here, but I actually agree with gtg. Mocking people for their appearance can be quite funny in certain circumstances.”
I’d have to disagree, when I see obese people I feel empathy (honestly) – I believe there must be something wrong with their chemistry or brain because I doubt anybody would be happy being obese, it would be a major pain in the arse. Call me a prude if you like but that’s really how I feel, I guess I think of obesity as a similar problem as alcoholism or drug abuse and basically I don’t like to sit and judge others over what their vices may be, we all have our faults. Maybe twenty years ago I would have laughed at or cracked the odd fat joke but these days, no, I just don’t find it funny.
As for ugly – Unless someone is obviously hideously deformed (thus IMO physically challenged in the looks department) I’d have to say that the ugly label is purely subjective, personally as I get older I find more women more appealing, somebody who I might not have found in the least bit attractive twenty years ago may really float my boat these days…
Call me a prude if you like but that’s really how I feel
I don’t think you’re a prude in the slightest, although I’d be surprised if you could sit through ‘The Nutty Professor’ without smiling at least once or twice.
I should clarify – I don’t ever find mocking someone’s physical appearance funny when it is done directly. This is bullying, and to find it funny one would have to be able to switch off any empathy for the person being ridiculed.
Timmy’s regulars, however, have proven themselves entirely devoid of empathy on many occasions so no suprises there.
“I don’t think you’re a prude in the slightest, although I’d be surprised if you could sit through ‘The Nutty Professor’ without smiling at least once or twice.”
I haven’t seen it but I know what you mean. I do however piss myself over things like the League of gentleman who do play on grotesque looks, but lets face the League of Gentleman and Nutty Professor don’t really represent reality.
“I should clarify – I don’t ever find mocking someone’s physical appearance funny when it is done directly. This is bullying, and to find it funny one would have to be able to switch off any empathy for the person being ridiculed.”
Pretty much where I’m coming from, it’s as I get older I find I can empathise more easily with others.
There is something supremely appropriate in citing The League of Gentlemen and The Nutty Professor as a benchmark from which to judge Tim Blair’s journalism.
What I find particularly pleasing is that such a benchmark was arrived at without any contrivance or purpose. It just happened.
When discussing Tim Blair, it feels natural to invoke The Nutty Professor.
Well done, lads!
I’m new to this blogging thingy but do not understand why Blair is held in (any) regard from what I have seen of his site; it seems that he takes quotes (ie the work of other people) out of context, adds a couple of snide comments and hey-ho, he’s a legend. Have I missed some vital point here? Did he once actually create something of merit and is now restingon his laurels?
“Did he once actually create something of merit and is now restingon his laurels?”
What?! You haven’t heard of Blairs Law!?!
Again Timmeh shows his maturity:
“UPDATE. The Palin/Biden SNL debate. Palin wins again, but it’s surprising how much less hot Tina Fey is than the Alaskan governor. Also, Queen Latifa is an excellent debate moderator.”
He so has naughty hand dance to Palin.
Fat people should be mocked. The more public the forum it is done it, the better. I will not make a comment on the quality of Blair’s reporting, I have said that I think he is a talentless hack and a joke on this blog before. Still the way he made the comment was funny.
The overweight are disgusting creatures, and have noone to blame for their condition but themselves. They burden our health system with easily preventable diseases, a study recently released shows that being thin makes you more likely to survive prostate cancer and can reduce the need for chemo.
While I empathise a little more with the ugly or disabled, I won’t lie and say I dont find them being made fun of doesn’t make me laugh (if you’ve never laughed at some stuff in Family Guy that makes fun of these people, you are a liar, or have never watched it). The fat on the other hand. I have no empathy for.
Thats why I don’t like the idea of a “fat tax”. Being overweight should be punishment enough. They are disgusting, have less succesful relationships, make less money, are viewed as lazy and unsuccesful, weak willed, and are more likely to be passed up for promotion (thank god discriminating based on weight is allowed)
Heres one study to back some of these claims up. Feel free to google for others.
” “Economists Susan Averett and Sanders Korenman studied the effects of obesity on wages, using a sample consisting of individuals aged 16-24 in 1981 who were 23-31 in 1988. They showed that women who were obese according to their Body Mass Index (BMI) in both 1981 and 1988 earned 17 percent lower wages on average than women within their recommended BMI range.”
Women are not the only ones to suffer discrimination based on appearance. While obesity had a slightly negative effect on a man’s earning power, height seems to play a much more significant role in determining a man’s salary, with shorter men getting the “short end of the stick.”
a study recently released shows that being thin makes you more likely to survive prostate cancer.
Gtg
6 October, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Which makes you safe from prostate cancer.
Oh, wait! Make that double safe!
oh bolt is back and he’s doing his best to deny reality. still global warming, iraq and us politics. now he’s get a special set of links that show that nearly all of mainstream media is incorrect about what’s going on at wall st.
Of course, Bolt is an expert in finance and economics. It will be interesting to see what obscure links and crackpot theories he’s dragged up this time.
“Fat people should be mocked. The more public the forum it is done it, the better…..The overweight are disgusting creatures, and have noone to blame for their condition but themselves.”
shorter gtg: fat people should be shamed into losing weight.
nice one. stigmatising disease works SO well just look at depression/suicide and body image/anarexia.
confessions, Gtg is just showing us that as well as being a hypocrite he’s also a reprehensible shallow human being who sees things in black and white.
“stigmatising disease works SO well just look at depression/suicide and body image/anarexia.”
Obesity isn’t a disease. Noone has made that argument succesfully. It is a risk factor for diseases. And an easily avoidable one like smoking.
Most people who try and claim obesity as a disease make no valid argument that it IS a disease, but rather try and make an argument that it should be classified as a disease anyway. Read: Obesity as a Disease: The Obesity Society Council Resolution. They basically say Should obesity be declared a disease? Rather than IS obesity a disease?
It is offensive to people with real diseases. I bet those with cancer wish they could be easily cured by stopping doing something, such as overeating, and excercising a little more.
The fat and lazy simply want it classified as such so that they can get money from their insurance company in order to receive surgeries or subsidised diet drugs because they want an easy, and cheap, way out.
“Obesity isn’t a disease”
contributing pshychological factors could make a convincing argument that obesity is a disease. but whatever, it still doesn’t alter the fact that humiliating people who have disease or disorders or whatever you want ot call it doesnt work.
“I bet those with cancer wish they could be easily cured by stopping doing something, such as overeating”
most cancers have a causal relationships with poor diet or other lifestyle issue like smoking. this is a silly statement.
“most cancers have a causal relationships with poor diet”
Of course they would, fat people are more prone to most diseases. The point is, obesity can be fixed by eating less and excercising more. Real diseases cannot often be fixed so simply, by refraining from doing something, i’m sure a HIV patient would like to be able to stop eating so much and be cured… Anyway, most of the relationships are actually correlational, not causal, in humans at least.
While being overweight increases your chance of getting cancer as well as most things, the actual obesity is not a disease.
If you read above I said “Obesity isn’t a disease. Noone has made that argument succesfully. It is a risk factor for diseases. And an easily avoidable one like smoking”
Sure obesity causes diseases, but it isn’t a disease itself
It’s easy to weed out the stupid people in today’s society, they are either fat or smokers.
Smokers have been demonised, stigmatised and it is even legal to discriminate in some places against smokers seeking employment. Nicotine is an adictive drug and smoking should be sympathised with more than obesity. Food isn’t addictive. Laziness isn’t addictive (Even though excercise can be, funny that, one additiction that wouldn’t hurt some of these people thats for sure…) There is no reliable studies showing chemical brain activity leading to foodaholism.
Call me heartless, call me shallow I dont care. Labelling obesity a disease is ridiculous. The overweight should have to pay for their own diet treatments, pay for their own surgery, and not rely on their insurance company or the tax payer to give them an easy way out. They should be last priority for transplants, surgery, and any other treatments that are related to their weight and the problems it has caused them. Lay in the bed you made I say.
atta boy, keep prevaricating. meanwhile you still can’t demonstrate how stigmatising fat people will have any effect on australias prevelence of obesity. you only have too do some reading about anarexia/bullima to know these serious disorders have their origins in poor body image. making people feel bad about their bodies is hardly the way to encourage longterm healthy eating and healthly lifestyle. what you think about fat people isn’t really the point except to show that you are cut from the same mold as idiots like tim blair who think making fun of how people look is funny.
meanwhile you still can’t demonstrate how stigmatising fat people will have any effect on australias prevelence of obesity.
It won’t, but then that’s not what gtg cares about anyway. He’s merely seeking a fig leaf to cover a personality that is appalling enough to find the mockery of fat people to their face hilariously funny.
Confessions, I love how you have bailed on your “obesity is a disease” claim. It’s so typical of people on this blog. I make the effort to counter every comment, rip your moronic efforts to shreds, and you act like it never happened.
“atta boy, keep prevaricating. meanwhile you still can’t demonstrate how stigmatising fat people will have any effect on australias prevelence of obesity”
Atta boy, ignore 80% of the post shredding your “Obesity is a disease because it causes diseases!!” nonsense. Next you will be telling me “Asbestos is a disease because it causes lung tumours” God you are stupid.
See RobJ missing the point about my Keating Reforms example, then failing to address it in many subsequent posts.
Did stigmatising smokers not reduce smoking rates? Yes, yes it did. Do you think saying “It’s ok to be fat and lazy if that’s who you are” is going to reduce obesity? No, no it’s not. By making people realise it’s not ok to be fat, and there is consequences of being so, yes it will reduce obesity rates.
“He’s merely seeking a fig leaf to cover a personality that is appalling enough to find the mockery of fat people to their face hilariously funny”
Where did I say mocking fat people to their face was funny? More false claims and exagerations. You said you found laughing at retards funny. Yet you have the gall to criticise others’ ‘appaling’ personalities. What a hypocrite.
I love how I link to actual studies and you guys have no legitimate rebuttal. You’re out of your depth and it’s quite sad.
It’s ok though, you will keep pretending you never made your idiotic claims, and just keep trying to move onto something else.
The 4th paragraph was supposed to be under the 1st.
gtg i don’t care whether obesity is a disease or not. your the only one who gives a shit about that. my point is you can’t demonstrate your wild statement that publikcly mocking fat people will seem to prevent future fatties.
“I love how I link to actual studies”
then heres your opportunity to link to a study that shows stigmatising obese people will reduce the prevelence or incidence of obesity in australia. i want doubel-blinded randomized, controlled trials as the gold standard of evidence too.
It’s so typical of people on this blog. I make the effort to counter every comment, rip your moronic efforts to shreds,
Rather high opinion of yourself there GTG. There’s no reasonable basis for describing your limp wristed rebuttals above as ripping anything to shreds, let alone Confession’s relatively mundane observation that obesity’s characterisation as a disease or disorder is absolutely irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make.
Where did I say mocking fat people to their face was funny?
um, I don’t mean to make you look stupid, but . . .
6 Oct 2:13pm Fat people should be mocked. The more public the forum it is done it, the better.
OK – I wass lying. I actually am trying to make you look stupid. It’s not what I’d describe as a difficult challenge so far.
The overweight are disgusting creatures, and have noone to blame for their condition but themselves.
I stand by my description of your personality as appalling GTG. Laughing at jokes about fat people is one thing – mocking them directly whilst convincing yourself that you’re actually performing a public service is the behaviour of a proud but deluded narcissist.
(BTW – you might also want to note that statistics showing the negative consequences of obesity are entirely irrelevant to the question of whether we, as a society, should feel free to mock the obese. Not responding to those stats was our way of being generous to you, since the only legitimate comment would have been to point out that you were engaged in a complete non-sequitur.)
I’m sorry Gtg but you seem to have a very narrow-minded view of over-weight people, many of them have genetic and/or glandular conditions that cause obesity, it is hardly their fault and it does you no credit to label them all as merely lazy over-eaters who have brought all their weight problems on themselves.
I have seen you calling people immature and telling them to grow up on threads here, and I think its time you did the same.
“then heres your opportunity to link to a study that shows stigmatising obese people will reduce the prevelence or incidence of obesity in australia.”
There hasn’t been one. It’s common sense. It has worked with other things. Racism is stigmatised, prevalence dropped, sexism was stigmatised, frequency reduced, Smoking was stigmatised… Well you get the picture.
Similaryl I could say, link me a study that shows mocking the overweight in Australia will lead to more eating disorders. You will find that although many self esteem issues trigger certain eating disorders, there are links to chemical imbalances in the brain that might be the actual cause, regardless of the trigger.
“Confession’s relatively mundane observation that obesity’s characterisation as a disease or disorder is absolutely irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make.”
Then why did he bring it up?
“Fat people should be mocked. The more public the forum it is done it, the better.”
And that translates to me mocking fat people in public being funny how? I was refering to Blair’s use of a blog to do so, TV would be great too. I never advocated mocking people for their weight to their faces. I’m much more comfortable criticising people behind their backs.
“I’m sorry Gtg but you seem to have a very narrow-minded view of over-weight people, many of them have genetic and/or glandular conditions that cause obesity”
Link me some solid stats please. The % of people with legitimate weight problems is miniscule I think you will find.
It is irrelevant what % of obesity is caused by matters beyond peoples’ control, if you are mocking someone for being over-weight without any knowledge of that person’s medical condition or genetic history, then you are showing yourself to be not only foolish, but ignorant as well.
As an aside, who remembers the great retort from Eddie Brandes of Zimbabwe to Glen McGrath when McGrath asked ‘why are you so fat ?’ the reply from Brandes – ‘because every time i have sex with your wife she gives me a biscuit’. — That’s comedy gold.
“It is irrelevant what % of obesity is caused by matters beyond peoples’ control”
If it’s irrelevant why did you bring it up? You also lied and said many of them have legitimate medical issues which is just false. Very ignorant of you.
“Glen McGrath when McGrath asked ‘why are you so fat ?’ the reply from Brandes – ‘because every time i have sex with your wife she gives me a biscuit’. — That’s comedy gold.”
If you think re-stating lewd comments about a dead woman is funny, I guess it’s gold. Even I draw the line there.
Anyone see the article by Timmeh today?
3 self links and a cross post to Bolt in one sentence. That must be a record.
blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/coat_cultist_confounded/
I never advocated mocking people for their weight to their faces. I’m much more comfortable criticising people behind their backs.
Blair directly mocked Yusuf for being overweight on his blog. Blair intended for his slights to be viewed by Yusuf, and they almost certainly were, which means that Blair effectively called him a fatty to his face.
You described the above exchange as funny, and then embarked on a mostly nonsensical rant about how mocking fat people is actually necessary for public health reasons.
You’re seriously a nutter GTG. The more you write, the worse you appear.
“which means that Blair effectively called him a fatty to his face.”
Nah he didn’t.
Just to reiterate
““It is irrelevant what % of obesity is caused by matters beyond peoples’ control””
This kind of stuff cracks me up. Post a lie, get called out, then claim it’s irrelevant anyway. If its irrelevant then WHY did YOU bring it up?. Funny stuff.
“You’re seriously a nutter GTG. The more you write, the worse you appear.”
I’ll sleep tonight.
“Then why did he bring it up?”
she not he.
“Similaryl I could say, link me a study that shows mocking the overweight in Australia will lead to more eating disorders.”
JA O’Dea, 2005
http://her.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/20/2/259
O’Dea and colleagues 1995
Puhl and Brownell 2003.
happy reading.
If its irrelevant then WHY did YOU bring it up?
Actually GTG, it was quite clearly you that brought it up:
7 Oct: 3:35pm Link me some solid stats please. The % of people with legitimate weight problems is miniscule I think you will find.
Gavin never brought up the issue of % statistics. Your hysterical attacks on him in this regard are completely without merit.
Keep digging that hole GTG.
I wonder what GTG was like at school.
“If it’s irrelevant why did you bring it up?”
Are you serious Gtg ? You’re the one that brought up the % of fat people with legitimate health reasons — let me remind you
“Link me some solid stats please. The % of people with legitimate weight problems is miniscule I think you will find.”
The reason I mentioned it was because of your own sweeping statement that all fat people have brought their problems on themselves, in case you didn’t understand my point — I thought it was pretty clear — the irrelevance is how many people, it doesn’t matter if it’s 1% or 99.9%, the point is that to mock someone, anyone, because of something out of their control is utterly ignorant and boorish.
As to your accusation that I lied because i said many people have legitimate health issues that cause obesity — what do you think a glandular condition is ?
Oh, and by the way…Yes Glen McGrath’s wife’s death was a very sad tragedy, I’m not in any way laughing at that or her, I’m laughing at a reply that was made some years ago, and which Glen McGrath also said was one of the best he’d ever heard.
I assume you’ve never laughed at a joke relating to any dead person — ever.
Much of that study is barely relevant. Also Child Obesity is a different monster, as the parents are often to blame as they feed their children, and they are the ones who should be mocked and stigmatised in that case.
That study actually supoports what I am saying. it says they when they know they are fat, they attempt to correct the problem, which is what I am advocating, sometimes it goes wrong. It’s all about Risk/reward. Being overweight may be more dangerous than participating in some unsupervised dieting.
Besides, it’s predominately a child study and thus the argument changes. It is the parents who should be exposed to the risks of unhealthy diets and obesity, as well as stressing the importance of excercise, not the children.
What I don’t support is making obesity seem ‘normal’ and classifying it as a disease, which it isn’t. I wan’t older people to be aware that they have a problem so they can correct it in themselves, and their children if they are the obese ones. Rather than try and justify it. Pandering to the lazy, excuse seeking obese exacerbates the problem.
Besides, she doesn’t make a comprehensive well researched link between eating disorders and stigmatisation. Too many probablies.
Are you serious Gtg ? You’re the one that brought up the % of fat people with legitimate health reasons — let me remind you
Ummm, did I? Looks to me that you brought up glandular problems and other legitimate purposes for being overweight also stating that there are MANY of them, not me. See Below.
“many of them have genetic and/or glandular conditions that cause obesity, it is hardly their fault and it does you no credit to label them all as merely lazy over-eaters who have brought all their weight problems on themselves.”
Well you’ve lost that argument.
“Oh, and by the way…Yes Glen McGrath’s wife’s death was a very sad tragedy, I’m not in any way laughing at that or her, I’m laughing at a reply that was made some years ago, and which Glen McGrath also said was one of the best he’d ever heard.
I assume you’ve never laughed at a joke relating to any dead person — ever.”
Nice attempt at justification. But, you still look like a hypocrite for criticising others’ immaturity while posting jokes about a dead woman, suggesting she was involved in adulterous behaviour. Not nice at all. And no I don’t find slanderous jokes about recently dead, DECENT people funny.
“The reason I mentioned it was because of your own sweeping statement that all fat people have brought their problems on themselves, in case you didn’t understand my point — I thought it was pretty clear — the irrelevance is how many people, it doesn’t matter if it’s 1% or 99.9%, the point is that to mock someone, anyone, because of something out of their control is utterly ignorant and boorish.”
It’s never out of their control. Even with glandular problems weight can be managed quite easily, and these people who may have legitmate health issues are given all the help and information they need to do so through their doctor.
“As to your accusation that I lied because i said many people have legitimate health issues that cause obesity — what do you think a glandular condition is ?”
This barely makes sense. You did lie. You lied because you said many overweight people had legitimate issues, when only a tiny % do. Glandular conditions causing severe obesity are quite rare.
That study actually supoports what I am saying. it says they when they know they are fat, they attempt to correct the problem, which is what I am advocating,
Watch the amazing GTG backpeddle furiously when presented with evidence.
Now GTG says he was only ever advocating for more awareness of the health issues associated with obesity. All he wants is for people to know that being fat is bad for your health.
That’s a far cry from: Fat people should be mocked. The more public the forum it is done it, the better, which is where GTG began his petulant rant.
What a coward – he can’t even face his own argument.
This barely makes sense. You did lie. You lied because you said many overweight people had legitimate issues, when only a tiny % do.
And you have souced evidence that proves this assertion . . . where?
“she not he.”
Gavin is a girls name?
“Actually GTG, it was quite clearly you that brought it up:
7 Oct: 3:35pm Link me some solid stats please. The % of people with legitimate weight problems is miniscule I think you will find.”
Umm, ok? I asked him to provide statistics to prove his claim that MANY people have legitimate weight issues. He brought up legit health issues and their frequency, not me. I simply asked him to validate his false claim with statistics, which he couldn’t do. See below where he originally brings it into the argument:
“MANY of them have genetic and/or glandular conditions that cause obesity, it is hardly their fault and it does you no credit to label them all as merely lazy over-eaters who have brought all their weight problems on themselves.”
He then went on to claim it was irrelevant.
“I assume you’ve never laughed at a joke relating to any dead person — ever.”
maybe gtc draws the line at dead people. but people with disability are not off limits:
“While I empathise a little more with the ugly or disabled, I won’t lie and say I dont find them being made fun of doesn’t make me laugh (if you’ve never laughed at some stuff in Family Guy that makes fun of these people, you are a liar, or have never watched it)”
“Much of that study is barely relevant.”
yeah, whatever. more bold face in adversity stuff, i get that. or is it now grasping at straws?
“That study actually supoports what I am saying. it says they when they know they are fat, they attempt to correct the problem, which is what I am advocating”
Find anywhere in this thread I have said otherwise? Mocking fat people creates awarness that they have a problem and it’s not ok.
“Watch the amazing GTG backpeddle furiously when presented with evidence.”
What evidence? The study was weak, poorly researched in regards to the issue you where trying to prove and relating to a different demographic. See above. My arguments have been consitant.
“Now GTG says he was only ever advocating for more awareness of the health issues associated with obesity. All he wants is for people to know that being fat is bad for your health.”
That’s a far cry from: Fat people should be mocked. The more public the forum it is done it, the better, which is where GTG began his petulant rant”
Fat people should be mocked, in order to create awarness and let them know that if they remain fat they will earn less, have less succesful relationships, be viewed as lazy, get passed up for promotion and jobs etc. I stand by the mocking of fat people, especially those who try and find an excuse or have a self inflicted problem classified as a disease. Just because it was worded less harshly in the later posts the point is the same. And has been consitant throughtout the thread.
“What a coward – he can’t even face his own argument.”
See above, I’ve been Consistant throughout.
““Much of that study is barely relevant.”
yeah, whatever. more bold face in adversity stuff, i get that. or is it now grasping at straws?”
Did you even read it? Did you understand the point he was trying to prove?
Obviosuly not. Mabye go read it and try and make an argument abcked up with quotes.
I’m done owning you fools in this thread for tonight. Bed time for me. Gotta get up early and do some running so I can stay healthy and earn an avg 19% higher wage than my fat co-workers.
“Watch the amazing GTG backpeddle furiously when presented with evidence. Now GTG says he was only ever advocating for more awareness of the health issues associated with obesity.”
or to make distinction with children. funny, i don’t recall gtg saying only fat ADULTS should be publicly mocked but kids shouldnt. my prediction is that he will next start on about strength of contributing factors for the relationship between stigmatise fat people and eating disorders.
“Did you even read it?”
yes i did. but did you? you seem to think the author is male.
“Did you understand the point he was trying to prove?”
of course i understand it. i’m beginning to think however that you didn’t because your only way of refuting what the author claims is to say her work is about children, and as mondo said, to try and claim your really about helping fat people instead of mocking them.
“Bed time for me. ”
good. hopefully an early night will mean improved posts form you tomorrow. lol!!
You people need to get some exercise methinks.
Bed time for me
I’d hazard to guess that the excitable Gtg, who’s family’s jewels are apparently situated firmly on palings, is American.
Now not saying that there’s anything wrong with that, far from it. If he is then he may be more likely to be consumed (no pun intended) with information overload of the nation’s apparent obesity.
epidemic.
The Australian epidemic, via the media and our Hollowmen, is just gaining pace…
“yes i did. but did you? you seem to think the author is male.”
I do? Then why did I post THIS:
“Besides, SHE doesn’t make a comprehensive well researched link between eating disorders and stigmatisation”
GG no Re. Give up bud. Nice attempt at nit picking though, as if though the gender of the writer makes any difference in the comments I made.
“of course i understand it. i’m beginning to think however that you didn’t because your only way of refuting what the author claims is to say her work is about children, and as mondo said, to try and claim your really about helping fat people instead of mocking them”
Actually the point he was trying to prove was a definitive link between stigmatisation and eating disorders, which the study failed to do. I pointed that out here (it’s also posted above):
“”Besides, SHE doesn’t make a comprehensive well researched link between eating disorders and stigmatisation”"
It being about children also limits its effectiveness and applicability.
You on the other hand, obviously didn’t read it or you would have realised what I was saying was right.
“Now not saying that there’s anything wrong with that, far from it. If he is then he may be more likely to be consumed (no pun intended) with information overload of the nation’s apparent obesity.
epidemic.”
I’m doing research for my DBA in the US. I’m not American.
“or to make distinction with children. funny, i don’t recall gtg saying only fat ADULTS should be publicly mocked but kids shouldnt.”
It’s common sense. It is not reasonable to expect that a child purchases and prepares the majority of their own foods, or has the information to make informed decisions on diet. The parents in the case of child obesity are to blame, and those raising dangerously overweight children without a very good reason should be criminally charged.
“Gtg
7 October, 2008 at 5:12 pm: Did you even read it? Did you understand the point he was trying to prove?”
not only have you proven to be a hypacrit but you are a liar as well. you issued a challenge to me to find studies that show a relationship between stigmatizing body size and eating disorders. you either thought none exisited or that i wouldn’t find it. given your immaturity i’m tempted to think the former. but a google scholar search will bring up not just australian but international evidence that shows a clear link between stigmatising body size and development of disordered eating especially in children. when it was clear that evidence is around that contradicts you you backpeddle. first it was children are different, then it was this paper actually supports my view (when clearly it rubbishes your juvinile views about fat people), now you’ve been pinged for not even being able to see the author is a woman. if you’d opened the link this is very very clear.
you whinge about the use of ‘troll’ on this site but in your case it is entirely appropriate tag. you also carry on about the age or education level of others at the same time as you yourself behave like a child. you are pathetic.
Gtg,
“MANY of them have genetic and/or glandular conditions that cause obesity, it is hardly their fault and it does you no credit to label them all as merely lazy over-eaters who have brought all their weight problems on themselves.”
He then went on to claim it was irrelevant.” (Your post 5.00pm 7/10)
Nice try at taking what I said out of context, what I actually said about irrelevance was:
“It is irrelevant what % of obesity is caused by matters beyond peoples’ control,” – (4.00pm 7/10) – and “The reason I mentioned it was because of your own sweeping statement that all fat people have brought their problems on themselves, in case you didn’t understand my point — I thought it was pretty clear — the irrelevance is how many people, it doesn’t matter if it’s 1% or 99.9%, the point is that to mock someone, anyone, because of something out of their control is utterly ignorant and boorish.” – (4.42pm 7/10)
So, tell me who’s lying here…
I don’t see any need for me to provide you with stats on how many people are over-weight due to medical or genetic causes simply because I didn’t put a specific number on it, in case you don’t understand the term – “many” means an unspecified number.
You seem to be either incapable or unwilling to understand what you read, I suspect the latter, in which case you are a troll and I will not be feeding you any longer.
Confessions: I’m Assuming you linked the best study you could find. 1, it was applicable to a limited demographic 2, it made no conclusive link between stigmatisation and eating disorders.
If thats the best you got just give up. You failed. Admit it, and be a man. Plus you ignored (nothing new there) that you where wrong about me thinking the author of that study was a male, which I demolished. Admit you were wrong about that too please.
“understand the term – “many” means an unspecified number. ”
Wow, you idiot. A couple of synonyms of many from Roget’s Thesauraus: legion, multitudinous, myriad, numerous, quite a few
All of these imply a fairly large number. You are wrong, dont try and weasel out of it now with your ‘unspecified’ garbage. Sure they are unspecified, but all refer to large or notable numbers. Of which there isn’t when it comes to ‘legitamately’ fat people. So you did lie, or are at least an ignorant fool.
You’re out of your depth Gavin.
And btw confessions, I wont be replying to any more of your nonsense on this topic.
You have been wrong many times, and if I keep bothering to reply to your crap this is just going to go around in circles.
If thats the best you got just give up. You failed. Admit it, and be a man.
Gtg – how many times do you need to be reminded that Confessions is a woman? Dare I say ‘many’?
Once again you have simply declared yourself the ‘winner’ of this debate, and then immediatly refused to engage in any further discussion. There seems to be a pattern of extreme self-love combined with quite deliberate denial going on here.
Here’s a reality check for you: both Confessions and Gavin have successfully shown you to be a twit. Your ridiculously poor grasp of both English and logic combined with your childish declarations of victory (couched in insult-ridden nonsense) merely serves to further highlight how inane you apparently are.
I’m glad that you’ve decided to stop posting on this topic. I doubt I could bear much more of your vapid, self-serving dribble.
For goodness sake. Make it stop.
“Gtg – how many times do you need to be reminded that Confessions is a woman? Dare I say ‘many’?”
I don’t care. It makes no difference. Why do you people always nit pick on such nonsense? In the other thread it was about not using the exact same words to convey the same meaning, now it is about whether I say he/she.
“Once again you have simply declared yourself the ‘winner’ of this debate, and then immediatly refused to engage in any further discussion. There seems to be a pattern of extreme self-love combined with quite deliberate denial going on here.”
I never said I won anything. This is just a waste of time. Me and confessions are never going to agree and this is just going to go around in circles. She stopped actually addressing the points I made so why would I bother trying to make any more?
“Here’s a reality check for you: both Confessions and Gavin have successfully shown you to be a twit. Your ridiculously poor grasp of both English and logic combined with your childish declarations of victory (couched in insult-ridden nonsense) merely serves to further highlight how inane you apparently are.”
How so? Gavin claimed there was “many” legitmately overweight people. I called him out and said he was wrong, and that he should show some stats when making such a claim. He tried to weasel out of it “the % is irrelevant”. He stated that “many” refered to an unspecified number, which it does, but implies a LARGE number.
If I was in a classroom and said something like “many people in this class are women” when 2 out of 80 where. Do you think that would be acceptable, since many refers to an unspecified number? Didn’t think so.
Gavin was completely wrong.
As for confessions, SHE (happy?) tries to use a study to prove a point, I bothered to read it, it was barely relevant and didn’t prove what she expected it too. She hardly addressed any of the rebuttals I made to said article, and instead went off on some rant about how I am liar and a troll (is this some kind of white flag for you people? Like the mighty matt card?)
“I never said I won anything”
Hmmmm, so what does this mean?
“I’m done owning you fools in this thread for tonight.”
Like I say a hypocrite and a fool. stop wasting your time guys.
” RobJ
9 October, 2008 at 6:44 am
Like I say a hypocrite and a fool. stop wasting your time guys.”
Halleujah! Some good sense at last! Fucking hell! This Gtg character starts out trying to justify Blair’s juvenile schoolyard abuse as “funny”, gets himself tied up in knots trying to find a moral justification for it, keeps going regardless, ties himself in even tighter knots, and people keep arguing with him! Just find out where he lives, go round to his place, put him over your knee, smack him very hard on the arse, tell him to wake up to himself, and make a dignified exit.
While you’re at it, you have my permission to mention a client of mine who has spent 10 years in and out of eating disorder clinics with anorexia, battling depression, attempting suicide on two occasions, unable to hold down a job, and why? Because she was publicly mocked about being fat when she was in her late teens. No doubt the silly little twat will have a rationalisation for that one as well. Fuck off.
” RobJ
9 October, 2008 at 6:44 am
Like I say a hypocrite and a fool. stop wasting your time guys.”
Halleujah! Some good sense at last! Fucking hell! This Gtg character starts out trying to justify Blair’s juvenile schoolyard abuse as “funny”, gets himself tied up in knots trying to find a moral justification for it, keeps going regardless, ties himself in even tighter knots, and people keep arguing with him! Just find out where he lives, go round to his place, put him over your knee, smack him very hard on the arse, tell him to wake up to himself, and make a dignified exit.
While you’re at it, you have my permission to mention a client of mine who has spent 10 years in and out of eating disorder clinics with anorexia, battling depression, attempting suicide on two occasions, unable to hold down a job, and why? Because she was publicly mocked about being fat when she was in her late teens. No doubt the silly little twat will have a rationalisation for that one as well. Fuck off.
Well said BB.