By Tobias Ziegler
Tim Lambert has already reported on this, but this is such a brazen example of how Andrew Bolt plays with the truth that it deserves repetition.
Yesterday, Andrew told us that “The tide is slowly turning” on the scientific consensus about global warming. His evidence? A statement from Jeffrey Marque, editor of the American Physical Society’s Forum on Physics & Society, published in July 2008:
There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for the global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.
There are just a couple of issues with Andrew’s presentation of this new evidence to support his claim.
First, he noted the same publication back in July.
Second, he failed to note that the same editor published this in October (the next issue):
In fact, we have not polled any scientific community (e.g., the climate research community, the physics community, or the general science community) as to the extent of its consensus regarding human-activity-caused global warming, and we apologize for making such a remark for which we do not have supporting data. We now do know that, in addition to the American Physical Society, the following scientific organizations have issued statements and/or reports in support of the IPCC’s main conclusion concerning the role of anthropogenic CO2 emissions in global warming: The National Academy of Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
So, that is the type of evidence Andrew Bolt uses to rally his followers — recycled and retracted.
But the saga continues. In response to a complaint from a commenter, Bolt suggests that he included appropriate caveats in yesterday’s post. The complainant noted that the APS itself had distanced itself from the original editorial, which is true. And Bolt did address that in his post, by noting:
The [physics and society forum of the] American Physical Society
…
Note that the APS forum is only part of the APS, which still maintains the faith.
But there are still a couple of problems. First, Bolt attributes the original statement to “the APS forum” — this is wrong, as it was the work of one editor. The APS newsletter has two co-editors — Marque and Al Saperstein. Each writes an editorial comment for each issue of the newsletter — the statement in the July issue that Bolt quoted was written by Marque.
Second, there is still the fact that even that editor apologised for his statement — in other words, he retracted their own denial of “the faith” that Bolt rails against. He noted that not only his own organisation, but at least four other relevant groups, have supported the IPCC’s main conclusion about anthropogenic global warming.
So, this is the type of “evidence” that Andrew Bolt musters to rally his followers. Take one discredited statement and repeat it a couple of times. Throw in the occasional cherry-picked snippet of data (surely it must be cold today somewhere in the world?), and depict your detractors as religious zealots. Keep it up and it just might become the truth.
I think I would rather look at all of the scientific evidence, thanks.
Good work, Tobias. I can’t wait to hear Bolt’s excuses this time; really, I can’t…
Interestingly, the comments on that post seem to have stalled at 76. I posted a reply more than 24 hours ago suggesting a correction was in order (nothing that deserved to be SNIPped) and it still hasn’t appeared.
Hmm, I’ve just double-checked and it is now at 77 – a comment from a couple of hours ago has been added (although at least it is one that points out some of the problems in this “evidence”).
Didn’t Bolt believe that Global Warming was only *slightly* attributed to humans and most of it was occuring naturally?
He’s obviously included scientists in the same camp as artists. He knows what Art should look like, and he knows what Scientific analysis should produce! Pretty pictures that don’t infringe on his perception of reality.
It just goes on and on this sort of stuff doesn’t it? Absurdly he continues to get away with the sort of stuff that would give you a fail grade in any first year university assignment, despite (reportedly) receiving considerable remuneration as a so called “journalist”.
Unfortunately ideology and juvenile tribalism trump reason, for his band of sycophantic idiots, who blindly follow him to the abysses of deception, self-delusion and childish idiocy, and let him get away with this sort of stuff. Memo to Boltards: follow the links, and read them for yourselves.
He provides the lies. They provide the hits. News Ltd provides a talentless, average-intelligence narcissist with an income 10 times what is deserved…Or perhaps I undervalue the contributions to the fabric of Australia of a google-dependent, gutter-grubbing, gonad-grinding, git-attracting grifter.
Chris of Brisbane – Have you accessed Bolts blog via the Herald Sun site? If you have then you sometimes see a little box pop up telling you how many times his link has been clicked. The number is usually lower than the total number of comments … I never saw it when I visited the site through the CM website.
Andy lying?………no, surely you jest. lol
eerily channelling radp bolt goes there with the “blacks are to blame” angle on the prop 8 vote.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/blacks_vs_gays/
bolt also quotes from a source that blacks in california represented 10% of electorate. but as daily kos reports there are 2.26 million african americans in california, representing 6.2% of the state population, half the proportion nationally at 13%. taking out from 2.26million the under-age and felony disenfranchised blacks who can’t vote that figure drops to 1,445,700.
there are 17million registered voters in california, so assuming black people at 6.2% of the population, there would be just over 1 million black voters out of the 1,445,700 eligible voters. there were just over 10million votes on prop 8 in california. for black people to be 10% of the vote they would of had to cast just over 1million votes on the measure, from a turnout in the black community of 90% and all these would have to ALL voted on prop 8, ie not vote only in the main event and skip the prop 8 ballott. there were 80,000 voters who voted in the presidential election but not in the prop 8. bolt’s figures when extrapolate out can only assume that no black people were amongst them.
the 90% turnout thing is unlikely. in all the areas in california that have large population of black peple the highest voter turnout was 62%. again, the 90% turnout of blacks in whole of california is unlikely, which makes andy’s figures look very rubbery and his argument about blacks vs gays more rubbery still.
(dailykos link in next post)
link related to above:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/7/34645/1235/704/656272
windrider, I find that the hits on bolt’s links are regularly, substantially lower than the comments in the column that it applies too. Another one of those little things, that demonstrates what an unhealthy, group-thinking little forum Bolt’s is, and the fact that Bolt-type right-wing columnists, simply become popular amongst a certain subset of people within society, because they serve up what the followers want to hear.
I mean what sort of profound, lemming-esque boofhead, comments on an article that they haven’t even read themselves. In fact the evidence available, heavily suggests, that Bolt himself often doesn’t read, or at least process the full articles and links that he provides as “evidence” of his arguments.
Being the juvenile and naïve ideologue that Bolt is, he probably gets himself into a an excited lather so much about a snippet of an article that he sees as substantiating a position of his, that he blocks out the rest of the article from his consideration. That and his is also extremely dishonest.
I mean what sort of profound, lemming-esque boofhead, comments on an article that they haven’t even read themselves.
LOL. If only Bolt would jump off a cliff and take all his followers with him. :-)
TZ – as of a minute ago the comments on the article are still on 77. Would this be a case of Andrew stopping debate to halt the number of posters claiming he stuffed up again??
I’m in the middle of reading Maude Barlow’s “Blue Covenant”: the world water situation is absolutely unbearable, unsustainable, and refuting uneducated half-arguments from Bolt and his ilk is just not funny anymore.
In some ways, it’s just not worth taking them on. They won’t listen, and their not listening will not change the dire environmental situation the world is in. We have to get out there and plant more trees now.
Laugh if you like, but I’ve stopped laughing and started planting.
“Bolt-type right-wing columnists, simply become popular amongst a certain subset of people within society, because they serve up what the followers want to hear.”
Spot on there, Chris. These followers aren’t interested in reading the links and Bolt knows that. They just “want to believe”
Laugh if you like, but I’ve stopped laughing and started planting
LOL .. We could always run around screaming “we are all going to die!” while holding a sign saying “The end of the world is near, repent now”. It could even be spiced up with a little Chicken Little.
BTW – Have you seen how the bottom has fallen out of the Carbon Trading market in Europe?
RM – What you say about Bolt not listening is true.
He will blame anyone for the lack of water but will not consider that he needs to do anything different. A true Neo-Con visionary.
As for him not listening anymore, it is true. I spent a great amount of time and effort representing facts to blow Bolt’s fiction relating to AGW and water (especially the state of affairs in Vic and my online name). I did this for years only to get to a point where I came to the realisation that no matter how I approached an argument and how easily his postion could be destroyed with reason it was simply ignored or not posted.
As a result I try not to go into his site as much anymore. I rather look for what he is posting to see if there is any relevance.. of course there is little that is new.
DBoP, it certainly looks like the comment moderation at Bolt’s site is being used for “conversation management” – of course, it’s impossible to prove what is going on, and the site’s terms of use basically give them complete discretion anyway.
But that doesn’t mean it’s ethically appropriate to hold up or cut off comments that point out (politely) when Bolt is completely wrong. Especially given that Andrew is such a critic of perceived attempts to silence dissent and stifle debate – it’s ironic that he or his moderators do just that.
Geez, you’d think managing a call centre would occupy more of RadP’s time but he seems to have plenty to spend here. As if we hadn’t already seen enough to convince us of his blatantly ignorant stupidity.
Lying little rodent.
I loved Andy’s recent attempt to bravely suggest that the “positive” developments in regard to the Arctic summer ice melt were somehow a blow to the “doomsayers”.
And how can we dare doubt his flawlessly logical rationale? I mean, how can we not be brimming with optimism when we see data such as this?:
http://www.nsidc.org/news/images/20081002_Figure3.png
Look at that improvement in the trend over the last year! Good onya Andy. You shoved it right up Flannery!
“Laugh if you like, but I’ve stopped laughing and started planting.”
Totally agree RM.
Even many dairies and big grazing properties around my district are putting in wind breaks.
I have had a little project the last couple of years, ive been growing out tree seedlings to plant out into the road verges around my district, centering on my property and moving outwards. Its slow work, but im hoping that as they are all very vigourous species, they will continue my work long after im dead.
RadP.
Wind breaks and scub areas on farms are vitally important for a lot of reasons. They slow wind speed and evaporation, thus increasing crop yields and the health of livestock.
They also provide habitat for birds and the like, that help control crop pests.
Salinity, erosion and desertification can also be managed by planting trees. And by reducing wind speed and evaporation, wooded areas allow for more effective recharge of ground water.
Now fuck off Rad.
Scurry back to Bolt and find out what your opinion is today.
And, of course, Andy’s got a solution for this little dilemma:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24546508-11949,00.html
Geez, you’d think managing a call centre would occupy more of RadP’s time but he seems to have plenty to spend here. As if we hadn’t already seen enough to convince us of his blatantly ignorant stupidity.
Are you for real DeaniaL?
You first tell a lie about what my profession is and then you go on to call me: Lying little rodent.
POT, KETTLE, BLACK.
You really are a nasty piece of work DeaniaL.
Wind breaks and scub areas on farms are vitally important for a lot of reasons. They slow wind speed and evaporation, thus increasing crop yields and the health of livestock.
That is true DbD, but running around like chicken little in hysterics about climate change is going to do anything for global water demand.
Now fuck off Rad.
Scurry back to Bolt and find out what your opinion is today.
OUCH. Did I offend your religious beliefs?
The reality is that TZ has just conclusively shown that Bolt is willing to dishonestly manipulate information to bolster his own case. If nothing else this is at least one conclusive example of Bolt lying to his readers about the reality of the AGW debate and the extent of scientific support it has.
This, of itself, should be sufficient to give Bolt’s faithful congregation pause – I mean, their preacher has just been caught out lying through his teeth to them – but it won’t. Mighty Matt is evidence enough of this, despite now being able to clearly see Bolt’s deceit he will nonetheless continue to accept his arguments as gospel because Bolt’s telling him what he wants to believe.
The really hilarious thing is that cretins like Matt will actually try to argue that it is the scientists whose integrity is compromised – that it is those who are basing their position on scientific theories, conclusions and results that are expressing ‘blind faith’ – not the Boltards whose position is almost entirely based on ideology.
As per usual the Boltards highlight their utter lack of intellectual ability by projecting their own clear failings on to their opponents.
Well done TZ for highlighting this so very clearly.
Rad, I notice you haven’t actually bothered to comment on the content of the original post – you’ve just come in and yelled “LOOK OVER THERE!!!”
Rad, I notice you haven’t actually bothered to comment on the content of the original post – you’ve just come in and yelled “LOOK OVER THERE!!!”
This post is itself a “Look over There” in regards to the AGW debate. On many occasions Bolt has more than proven that there is no consensus in the scientific community on the causes of Climate change. This attempted “Gotcha” post does not change that and is itself debateable.
As someone with a background in Physics I have argued the science on Climate Change more than enough.
The problem with the Climate Change evangelist movement is that they spend all their time attacking the man instead of debating the science. This post is a clear example of that.
OUCH. Did I offend your religious beliefs?
And Matt conveniently highlights my exact point in the post immediately above it.
I really do appreciate the service you perform around here Matt. Revealing the utter dishonesty and lack of intellectual ability of Bolt’s fan club just wouldn’t be as effective without you here to constantly provide such illustrative examples.
(BTW Matt – bolding your childish ‘Deanial’ joke doesn’t make it funny.)
BTW Matt – bolding your childish ‘Deanial’ joke doesn’t make it funny
POT, KETTLE, BLACK.
This coming from the guy that calls me Matt even though it has been proven that I am not the mythical matt from his fantasy.
Hi Mondo,
I’ve been trying to post that link you asked for, but for some reason the site (?) won’t let me…
I’ll try on this thread…Next post
Sorry everyone, this link has nothing to do with this topic, Mondo requested it on Fields of Lame but I can’t post it there for some reason,
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/5128834/michelle-obama-sparks-fashion-debate-red-black-victory-dress/
Nope, sorry Mondo — won’t let me post it here either…I have no idea why…
On many occasions Bolt has more than proven that there is no consensus in the scientific community on the causes of Climate change.
The cognitive dissonance is just so beautiful to behold.
TZ conclusively shows that Bolt has completely distorted the findings of a scientific forum in order to give the false impression that there is no consensus. Matt defends this by pointing out that Bolt reguarly provides evidence that there is no consensus – apparently oblivious to the fact that Bolt’s credibility on this issue is exactly what is being called into question by this latest example of dishonesty.
Matt is not simply a Righty – he is an exceptionally unintelligent one.
The cognitive dissonance is just so beautiful to behold
And I suppose you still believe that Obama will implement an ETS that will be accepted by the US Senate and will have the full endorsement of the American people during the worst economic crisis in a century?!
Shh!!! Then you better look away while Europe steps away slowly from their ETS as the price of Carbon credits tumbles into oblivion.
When it comes to cognitive dissonance and climate change Mondo Rock, you are a classic example.
And I suppose you still believe that Obama will implement an ETS that will be accepted by the US Senate and will have the full endorsement of the American people during the worst economic crisis in a century?!
You said that, Mondo? Knowing how trustworthy and honest RadP is, I suspect he’s about to supply the quote…
Hi Mondo,
It won’t let me post the link for Michelle Obama that you asked for, but if you go to Yahoo and type in ‘Michelle Obama red black dress ‘ it will come up with the links that have the photo.
Sorry for going off-topic everyone…
You said that, Mondo? Knowing how trustworthy and honest RadP is, I suspect he’s about to supply the quote
You are pathetic DeanaiL. You are SO desperate for your own gotcha moment that you fail to understand a sarcastic question. But it just proves what you are about. You are more interested in smearing the man that debating the facts.
As someone with a background in Physics I have argued the science on Climate Change more than enough.
Thanks for the laugh!
RadP, a Tool of Science.
‘That is true DbD, but running around like chicken little in hysterics about climate change is going to do anything for global water demand.’
I have not observed any hysterics on this topic from anyone except you so far Rad.
“OUCH. Did I offend your religious beliefs?”
While you DO offend me Rad, it has nothing to do with any ‘religious’ sensibility on my part. However, if its ‘hysterics’ you want..
You offend me because i think you are a shallow, self centered, complacent, wilfully ignorant, ideologically driven piece of shit.
You believe Bolts drivel because he writes what you want to believe. You want to read that ‘teh left’ support child abuse, you want to believe that GW is a myth and you want to be told your culture is superior to that of darkies and mussies.
In short, you want someone to reasure you that you believe is Right.
The real reason behined AGW denial is greed and selfishness, pure and simple.
All this ‘falsification’ and ‘we must be sure on the science’ you sort spout is a fucking smoke screen. And a feeble one at that.
There is a certain kind of person who really doesnt give a shit about what happens after they are dead and gone, and who live to consume, reproduce and be entertained. Fucking maggots.
Andrew Bolt is an ignorant fuckwit, and so are you Rad.
fail to understand a sarcastic question
RadP is right, I have failed to understand it but I’d love to see the definition. Let it rip…
And I suppose you still believe that Obama will implement an ETS that will be accepted by the US Senate and will have the full endorsement of the American people during the worst economic crisis in a century?!
I didn’t believe this in the first place Matt – can you please explain what cognitive dissonance of mine you were attempting to highlight with this ‘sarcastic’ question?
RadP, a Tool of Science.
This coming from the person that had problems understanding the scientific principle of falsification when I explained it to him.
You are just a barrel of laughs DeaniaL.
All this ‘falsification’ and ‘we must be sure on the science’ you sort spout is a fucking smoke screen. And a feeble one at that
Said like someone who has never studied science. If you had then you would understand the importance of the principle of falsification in the advancement of science.
RadP’s definition?:
A sarcastic question: When a duplicitious little turd tries to assert someone said something they did not in order to deflect attention from the fact that they are being made to look like a right prat in relation to a completely different debate.
had problems understanding the scientific principle of falsification when I explained it to him
Yes, we hear almost every day now how the principle of falsification has demolished climate change science.
RadP was on a winner with that one. We also had Chaos Theory from him too – I see that’s all the rage in the AGW-Denialist camp now…
RadP’s definition?:
I thought you weren’t talking to me anymore DeaniaL? Did you find the urge too strong to control?!
Yes, we hear almost every day now how the principle of falsification has demolished climate change science.
Said like a true scientific dyslexic. If you understood the principle of falsification then you would understand what it means for climate change.
Let me guess! You majored in the Arts?
When it comes to cognitive dissonance and climate change Mondo Rock, you are a classic example.
Matt – could you please back up this assertion. Above I noted that you are displaying cognitive dissonance, and then provided illustrated that observation by pointing out exactly where and how you were displaying this dissonance. You responded with the claim above.
Can you please show how and where I have displayed this ‘classic’ dissonance. Any example at all would be just great.
“Said like someone who has never studied science.”
What are your credentials then Rad? For me, I have a rudimentary understanding from my studies in mechanical engineering. My skills are rudimentary enough to understand that Bolt doesn’t have a clue (he can’t even do simple arithmetic), and to defer to those with more expertise. I consider myself a sceptic, I consider Bolt a denier (and a dogwhistling bigot but that’s another story).
Gavin
I have searched “Michelle Obama red black dress” and “Michelle Obama Black Power Salute” and not found any reference at all to her giving the black power salute before, during or after the concession speech. If she had given it you would think it would have been discussed extensively.
I am forced to conclude that my earlier view that it did not, in fact, happen was correct. I think your right-wing web sources may have been feeding you lies.
Rad, i understand the concept of falsification, its hardly a complicated concept is it?
I did study chemistry and biology as part of my ag. degree, although i must admit i wasn’t particularly good at it.
Its the motives of people like you and Bolt that i dont quite understand.
Would you be demanding further research and crying ‘falsification’ if the majority scientific opinion agreed with what you want to believe, rather than opposed it?
I think not.
Matt – could you please back up this assertion. Above I noted that you are displaying cognitive dissonance, and then provided illustrated that observation by pointing out exactly where and how you were displaying this dissonance.
You original assumption is debateable.
Maybe you need to think of Al Gore and your own personal climate change scepticism/AGW defence when you wonder about your own Cognitive dissonance.
What are your credentials then Rad?
I studied BA in Applied Physics at University.
I consider Bolt a denier
When it comes to the frontier of scientific theory, why Climate science is, there is no such thing as a denier.
The principle of falsification applies when there are a large amount of unknowns in the scientific theory.
Rad – Did you finish it?
Hi Mondo,
“I am forced to conclude that my earlier view that it did not, in fact, happen was correct. I think your right-wing web sources may have been feeding you lies.”
It’s not from any right wing source…It’s an article from au.yahoo.news.com dated 7th November.
The Title of the article is “Michelle Obama sparks fashion debate with red and black victory dress”
Would you be demanding further research and crying ‘falsification’ if the majority scientific opinion agreed with what you want to believe, rather than opposed it?
LOL. You are not making sense. Of course I would be calling for more research if the majority of scientific opinion agreed with me. That’s what scepticism and the principle of falsification is about. It’s about understanding the importance the unexplained science has on the original theory being put forward. Known that as the unknown science is discovered, the risk of the original theory being falsified increases.
Rad – Did you finish it?
No. I completed 1st and 2nd years before deferring my final year. I am still deciding if I will go back and complete the final year
DbD – As for trees and the effect on the local environment. It is well proven that planting the trees in copses and in corridors does help the surrounding farm land as you pointed out. The biggest ones I have seen relate to reducing salinity by keeping groundwater down, especially on irrigated and low lying pasture as well as retaining available soil moisutre content by reducing wind speeds across paddocks.
Other smaller benefits include shelter for stock (a happy cow milks more).
As i said Rad, it is your motives I am questioning, not your understanding of the principle of falsification.
As i said Rad, it is your motives I am questioning, not your understanding of the principle of falsification
My climate change scepticism is related to my understanding of the principle of falsification and the knowledge that scientists have only begun to understand the science of climate change in a system that is governed by the theory of Chaos.
If you wanted to understand my motives, this should help.
So Rad – You are happy defending Bolt’s position even though the information he is using is flawed and has been stated as such by the author?
So Rad – You are happy defending Bolt’s position even though the information he is using is flawed and has been stated as such by the author
I’m not defending Bolt’s individual posts. I am defended the point that there is no scientific consensus in regards to the causes of Climate change. Doing a gotcha on Bolt doesn’t suddenly prove that AGW is real and that there is a scientific consensus.
Maybe you need to think of Al Gore and your own personal climate change scepticism/AGW defence when you wonder about your own Cognitive dissonance.
This is a meaningless stament Matt.
I provided a specific example of you expressing cognitive dissonance. It was not an ‘assumption’ – it was an actual example: you used Andrew Bolt’s previous posts asserting no ‘consensus’ to respond to TZ’s evidence that Andrew Bolt uses false evidence to show no ‘consensus’.
Please show how I express dissonance in relation to Al Gore. Any example will do.
“When it comes to the frontier of scientific theory, why Climate science is, there is no such thing as a denier.”
Bolt is hardly the ‘frontier of scientific theory’, indeed he has issues with basic arithmetic. Bolt is a denier, I’m a sceptic, I choose err on the side of caution.
The Title of the article is “Michelle Obama sparks fashion debate with red and black victory dress”
Gavin – in the “fields of lame” thread you asserted that Michelle Obama had given the Black Power salute during the concession speech. That article makes no such claim, and the picture shows no such action.
I think you may have got your wires crossed somehow.
Hi Mondo,
Are you looking at the same photo I am ?
The one I’m looking at has her standing on the stage with her right arm raised and her fist clenched…
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNKqC1oa6hHbn-tphHhSlpK-ZKqQ
Hah…Finally got a link to work :)
Rad – I have no problem with you being skeptical about the AGW debate and what constitutes proof. I have an issue with using Bolt articles as the ‘proof’.
He has no scientific education (other than maybe year 10 science) and yet shoots his mouth off like an expert on climate change, water and othe environmental issues.
Looks like anyone shouting U-S-A, U-S-A, whilst pumping their fist.
Known that as the unknown science is discovered, the risk of the original theory being falsified increases.
FFS! What’s unknown is whether or not RadP’s comments are actually generated by a speed-fed monkey farm. Until falsified, I’m happy to go with this model for our understanding.
Bolt is hardly the ‘frontier of scientific theory’, indeed he has issues with basic arithmetic. Bolt is a denier, I’m a sceptic, I choose err on the side of caution
LOL – What are you on about. I wasn’t referring to Bolt when I said the frontier of science. I was referring to the scientists that are discovering the science behind climate change.
As I stated earlier. There is no such thing as a denier when the science is not yet fully understood.
As yourself this. How can you deny something that humanity cannot fully explain or does not fully understand?
There was a time when science believed that Isacc Newtons theory of space and time was real. Then came along Albert Einstein with his theory of relativity and it falsified Newton’s concept of space and time. Those that were sceptical of Newton’s theory of space and time in the 18th century could not have been called deniers before Einstein was born.
“LOL – What are you on about. I wasn’t referring to Bol”
But I was.. Thus what are you on about?
“There is no such thing as a denier when the science is not yet fully understood. ”
You sure you’ve ever read Bolt?
“As yourself this. How can you deny something that humanity cannot fully explain or does not fully understand?”
Clearly you haven’t.
Dambuster, i suppose the benefits of reforestation are slightly different depending on where you are, and what your managment issues are.
We are on limestone country with high rainfall, good drainage and a LOT of pivot irrigation over the dry months. We dont have to worry about saliniy, but a major concern is the over use of the ground water and dropping bore levels.
More wind breaks for us means more efficient use of water, and less need for irrigation. Also, the longer the ground stays wet the more water drains through to recharge our groundwater supply.
I know that in low, saline areas the effect is to lower the water table, sort of opposite to what we want down here, but still positive obviously.
The greatest effects i have seen though, is in increased yields in dryland pasture and cropping.
We have been cutting silage at work in the last few weeks, and the yield from the dryland was about 50% higher in the paddocks that backed onto pine and blue gum plantations.
However, i reckon the beneficial effects of trees are best seen in the mallee, wheat belt and semi arid.
Something you might find interesting DB
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1674809.htm
(Sorry im off topic all!)
Rad – I have no problem with you being skeptical about the AGW debate and what constitutes proof. I have an issue with using Bolt articles as the ‘proof’
I never directly refer to Bolt as proof of anything. Bolt normally provides links to his posts and some of those links are to reputable scientists who dispute AGW.
Bolt is nothing more than a journalist who delivers the news.
“Bolt is nothing more than a journalist who delivers the news.”
LOL – He dogwhistles, he writes opinions, he does NOT deliver the news.
Rad “That is true DbD, but running around like chicken little in hysterics about climate change is going to do anything for global water demand. ”
and
“How can you deny something that humanity cannot fully explain or does not fully understand?”
Rad – You disassemble your own arguments sometimes. DbD talking about the scientific proven fact that farms need trees to improve the environment is correct. I could send you libraries to read volumes on this subject alone.
To do something to improve one’s own environment is a fantastic idea. The Neo-Con view that we can use and abuse until there is nothin gleft is outdated.
Wouldn’t you rather err on the side of safety?
“Bolt is nothing more than a journalist who delivers the news.”
A couple of corrections:
1. Bolt is a ‘social commentator’ not a journalist;
2. He does not deliver the ‘news’, he comments on his interpretation of the news.
Hi Rob,
“Looks like anyone shouting U-S-A, U-S-A, whilst pumping their fist”
That could be true, however, she doesn’t appear to be shouting anything, just standing smiling, and in the original link which frustratingly I can’t post here, you can enlarge the picture and no-one in the crowd pictured appear to be waving their fists…
Anyway, it’s no big deal — the only reason I brought it up in the first place was to say that if Obama wants to govern for all Americans, as he says “unity”, he should probably start by getting his wife to stop using divisive symbols at public rallies.
Oh, and Bolt a journalist !!
It is to laugh……
Matt at the start of this thread: On many occasions Bolt has more than proven that there is no consensus in the scientific community on the causes of Climate change.
Matt at the end of this thread: I never directly refer to Bolt as proof of anything. . . . Bolt is nothing more than a journalist who delivers the news.
Matt is a bald-faced troll who will say anything in order to advance his argument.
“Anyway, it’s no big deal — ”
Agreed, I’m sure I’ve pumped my fist in the air on occassion, I’m sure most of us have.
Anyway, it’s no big deal — the only reason I brought it up in the first place was to say that if Obama wants to govern for all Americans, as he says “unity”, he should probably start by getting his wife to stop using divisive symbols at public rallies.
Gavin – this is total bullshit. I do thank you for finally providing the link, but all it shows is Michelle Obama with a clenched fist. The shot could have been ordinary fist pumping, it could have simply been the end of a wave – there is absolutely nothing to suggest that she was “using a divisve symbol” as you have so falsely asserted above within the article or any other commentary I have read.
Furthermore – the ‘black power’ salute is quite specific – straight arm and bowed head. I find is staggering, frankly, that you are making such a ludicrous assertion with almost no evidence whatsoever based on a picture attached to an article about the fist lady’s fashion choices. It seems to me that you’re looking to find evidence of a black militancy that simply doesn’t exist.
Drop it – your assertion is plainly ridiculous and the motivation behind trying to see divisive racial symbols wherever possible is quite disturbing.
GavinMif Obama wants to govern for all Americans, as he says “unity”, he should probably start by getting his wife to stop using divisive symbols at public rallies
Gavin,
Don’t you think it’s a bit of a leap to say the use of the Black Power salute is “divisive”? Does a President have to cast aside all associations to appeal to those not part of each and every grouping? If so, then shouldn’t he/she have to remove themselves from even their political party?
I’ve noticed that this has been a facet of the conservative mindset (I’m not classifying you personally as a conservative!) of recent times: To be part of the majority one has to divest themselves of any relationship or association with any/all minorities.
“if Obama wants to govern for all Americans, as he says “unity”, he should probably start by getting his wife to stop using divisive symbols at public rallies.”
your kidding?! when the indian, sth african and sri lankan cricket teams do fist punches and when some aussie cricketers do the same do you think thats divisive? honestly that your the only one with the issue about this is telling.
If anyone saw Michelle Obama do the black power salute at the victory rally it indicates more about the person making the claim then Michelle Obama.
My choice for the fist pumping White House puppy:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/object/5237931_happy_dog_doing_high_five.php?id=5237931
To bring a Boltwatch theme back to the fist gesture, Bolt obviously wanted to imply something when he saw it:
pumping a clenched fist
Even Bolt didn’t see a black power salute – he saw the pumping of a clenched fist.
That there are people out there who have convinced themselves that this was a divisive racial gesture is worrying to me. The idea that Obama will use his presidency to advance a militant black agenda is utterly ridulous and based in racist fear.
Yes Lisa, Raddy’s a physicist.
this captures the bolt/blair/gavinm fears about obama beautifully:
http://www.236.com/video/
Sorry if my earlier wording was a bit clumsy, I’m an ex-soldier, not an academic — I didn’t mean to say that she is definitely using it here, just that it looks like it, and that it’s not a good look for a new Presidency.
I have seen many variations of the blackpower salute, both in the USA and in many African nations, they aren’t always with the head bowed, they also aren’t always with the arm fully extended…it often depends on what the person is doing at the time…standing, walking, marching etc…
Dean,
Yes, the black power salute is absolutely divisive, it is a symbol used by one section of the community as a rallying device. A president doesn’t have to cast aside all of his/her associations, however it is probably a good idea to cast aside those that are racially based.
Confessions,
Fist pumping in celebration is nothing like the black power salute — sorry, don’t see your point.
Mondo,
I’m not trying to see racial symbols everywhere — I’m not that paranoid — as you say the shot could have been a fist pump or the end of a wave….could have been a salute too ;)
Look, all I’m saying is that Obama is the first black President of the USA, that’s fantastic and I hope he does a terrific job, for what it’s worth I think he’s the right man for the times — but it’s going to be an uphill struggle for him, and I would hate to see his Presidency tarnished by any perception of black power militancy or by the possibility of accusations of favouring one section of the community over others.
Fist pumping in celebration is nothing like the black power salute — sorry, don’t see your point.
His point is that the photo could just as easily show fist pumping in celebration. That you instead appear to have assumed that it shows Ms Obama giving the ‘black power’ salute is an interesting revelation of your internal bias.
but it’s going to be an uphill struggle for him, and I would hate to see his Presidency tarnished by any perception of black power militancy
That’s going to be tough with commenters such as yourself seeing divisive racial symbols every time his wife has a clenched fist in a photo. It almost seems as if you’re the one doing the tarnishing here Gavin.
SORRY confessions – meant to say “Her point . . . ”
I’m a friggin idiot.
it’s ok mondo :-)
gavin, if it was true fox news would of been all over it with the ‘terrorist fist jab’ angle. they weren’t. i think you’ve just been hypersensitive about obama being black and that this somehow means he’s gonna be an ultra left radical president who governs only for minority groups. he won’t, much to bolt and blair consternation.
Mondo,
When I first saw the photo, I wasn’t sure if it was a salute or not…I was hoping not, I’m happy and relieved to take the word of those who actually saw the film footage and who say it was a fist pump…e.g. Andrew Bolt. (I guess sometimes he says something reasonable).
I’m not meaning to smear her or tarnish Obama — christ, he hasn’t even been sworn in yet — I’d like to think he means what he says about his social reforms, and more importantly, that he can actually implement them…I fear he’s going to be fighting against more than just the economy though…
Hi confessions,
You’re probably at least partially right about me being oversensitive, I guess seeing the first black president — something I thought I’d never see in my life time — has been such a surprise, (a pleasant one I hasten to add), and I suppose I’m just not wanting to see anything happen that could impact negatively on him before he gets a chance to govern.
You’re certainly right about FOX news, I probably should have got a hint from the lack of noise from there — as I said…ex-soldier, not always too bright :)
Fair enough Gav :-)
GavinM: there has been alot of shit said about obama from the right, most of it garbage, some of it legit. it seems to me that of that which is shit is purely about the color of his skin (that ‘OTHER’ bullshit) and fearmongering cause he’s democrat. when i see stuff about black power salutes and terrorist fist jabs my head says ‘what the fuck’ but my heart says ‘it’s cause he’s black’. please prove me wrong.
in the end let obama be swarn in, see how he governs, watch for who he chooses as aids and advisors and then decide whether he’s governing for all americans or just the minorities. based on what i’ve seen and heard so far it looks cautious but informed – he’s meeting with bush today US date so that will provide further glimpses.
let the far right kooks like bolt and blair be the ones who see demons behind every corner, i take comfort from the fact that the values and aspirations i have are those the majority of australians share also. it is the bolt and blair sheep who are in the minority viewpoint. and fucking thank christ for that!
Speaking of keeping the faith, anyone catch Michael Duffy’s work in the weekend SMH? Claims it’s ‘a fact that cooling is happening’ then cites the Met Office as backing it with data. Except the group says the trend of warming still exists and that minor tapering off of the warming of late is due to cyclical factors.
These deniers will cling to anything like a fucking life preserver.
Mikey’s spot on: the deniers find something to cling to and then just never let go. Predictably enough, Duffy’s piece was regurgitated by the usual wingnuts.
It certainly was. Here’s a good examination of Duffy’s claims.
Oh, Andrew is just getting more hilarious by the day. Here’s his attack on Tim Lambert’s response to Duffy, accusing Tim of cherry-picking. Take a look at the graph and the quote from Lambert that he provides.
Then go and read Tim’s post.
We’ll see whether this comment gets through moderation on Bolt’s blog:
“We’ll see whether this comment gets through moderation on Bolt’s blog:”
It got published – you leftard, greenie planet worshipping, hippy! Ooops – I should leave it to the Boltards to insult you, they’re good at it. ;o)
Looks like I wasn’t the only one to point out Bolt’s epic fail on this one. I will look forward to the insults.
Now Rad, are you going to tell me that this is yet another “gotcha” of that news-delivering journalist, Andrew Bolt?
That’s the trouble with debating with people like Bolt and his followers – they’re too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
That’s the trouble with debating with people like Bolt and his followers – they’re too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
LOL This coming from the one who had problems understanding the Theory of chaos. DeaniaL I think you are the one that is; too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
Well done TZ.
Bolt does not even get that he has a go at Lambert for cherry picking and then does exactly that. Taking his comment out of context to have a go at him.
He even replies to your and other comments saying he didn’t.
Exhibit A…right on cue.
RadP,
Here’s a chance for you to prove you understand chaos theory and its application in meteorology and that the 2 years you spent studying basic physics wasn’t a complete waste of time: Explain to us why it doesn’t stop us from contructing reliable climatologies for the earth.
If you can do that, you’ll then understand why you are wrong to suggest that chaos theory brings AGW and climate models undone.
Not hard – I’ve even previously provided you with the references.
Let’s see it. And don’t try to weasel your way out of it with red herrings…
“DeaniaL I think you are the one that is; too stupid to realise how stupid they are.”
rad you are hardly in a position to be throwing insults about lack of awareness of others stupidity. just about everything you post here has an air of ‘face value acceptance’ about it. “there’ll be no stopping her”, remember?
TZ: i love the reply you got: “this is a reality blog and just like new zealand you will be booted out.” lol!!!
Here’s a chance for you to prove you understand chaos theory and its application in meteorology and that the 2 years you spent studying basic physics wasn’t a complete waste of time: Explain to us why it doesn’t stop us from contructing reliable climatologies for the earth
The fact that you even need to ask this question DeaniaL demonstrates your lack of understanding of meteorology and how the theory of Chaos impacts climate.
I have on more than one occasion in the past tried to educate you on the theory of chaos and it’s implications on climate and climate prediction.
If you fully understood the Theory of Chaos, you would understand that as you increase the distance into the future of the climate prediction the more the theory of Chaos becomes a larger impact on the reliability of the prediction.
If you can do that, you’ll then understand why you are wrong to suggest that chaos theory brings AGW and climate models undone
LMAO – said like someone who has NO understanding of physics and/or meteorology.
What this proves DeaniaL is that you are too stupid to know how stupid you are.
TZ – Interesting that Andrew’s moderators are letting a fair few comments through on that post at the moment.
If you fully understood the Theory of Chaos, you would understand that as you increase the distance into the future of the climate prediction the more the theory of Chaos becomes a larger impact on the reliability of the prediction.
You’re so wrong it’s laughable.
Just commonsense proves you’re wrong: If what you said were true we couldn’t count on summer being warmer than winter from one year to the next.
Chaos theory doesn’t play a defining role in climate, RadP – not even serious AGW sceptics argue this.
Your pathetic blustering LOLs and LMAOs do nothing to disguise what a fool you have made of yourself.
I suggest you go and repeat your study. This time though, start at high school level.
Off Topic – Will Blair/Bolt be laughing about this one like they did when the Age editor was sacked??
http://www.theage.com.au/national/herald-sun-editor-removed-20081110-5lq6.html
WHEN Bruce Guthrie lost his job as editor-in-chief of the Herald Sun yesterday, he said: “I won’t be commenting” — but he couldn’t resist one black joke.
“It’s the curse of the Newspaper of the Year,” he said, referring to the fact that the Herald Sun recently won that award
Just commonsense proves you’re wrong: If what you said were true we couldn’t count on summer being warmer than winter from one year to the next.
OMG – Are you for real DeaniaL? What does summer verses winter have to do with predicting climate via climate models? You cannot be serious with your analogy?!
We are talking about predicting climate change into the future.
BTW – The reason why summer is hotter than winter is not specifically because of Climate. It is because the earth rotates on a tilted axis to the Sun which means that at different times of the year the Hemispheres of the earth are titled towards or away from the sun. Hence the variance in temperature.
Your comment exposes your stupidity.
Chaos theory doesn’t play a defining role in climate, RadP – not even serious AGW sceptics argue this.
And once again you prove your utter stupidity when it comes to Physics and Meteorology.
I see Rad’s on “LOOK OVER THERE!!!” action again. Any comment on Bolt’s effort today, Rad?
For the record, I have never been booted out of New Zealand. I don’t know what that person was talking about.
Just commonsense proves you’re wrong: If what you said were true we couldn’t count on summer being warmer than winter from one year to the next.
OMG – Are you for real DeaniaL? What does summer verses winter have to do with predicting climate via climate models? You cannot be serious with your analogy?!
We are talking about predicting climate change into the future.
BTW – The reason why summer is hotter than winter is not specifically because of Climate. It is because the earth rotates on a tilted axis to the Sun which means that at different times of the year the Hemispheres of the earth are titled towards or away from the sun. Hence the variance in temperature.
Your comment exposes your stupidity.
Chaos theory doesn’t play a defining role in climate, RadP – not even serious AGW sceptics argue this.
And once again you prove your utter stupidity when it comes to Physics and Meteorology.
I’m not going to bother responding with this to truthman over at Bolt’s blog, but out of curiosity I just checked NZ National’s environment policy:
- 50% reduction by 2050
- Honour Kyoto obligations
- An ETS (admittedly, amended to water it down) introduced in 2010.
So – they booted out the NZ Labour Party and replaced it with the ALP?
For those of you that aren’t dickheads like RadP and do really want to understand how chaos effects weather and weather models; but can readily be handled in climate models, I suggest starting here:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/11/chaos-and-climate/langswitch_lang/fr
tz – ‘truthman’ writes a lot like ‘philip travers’ who haunts Jeremy’s blog.
Is Chaos Theory Pips meme of the day?
gee, rad’s gone awful quiet now after DeanL supplied the real climate link, perhaps he is frantically searching the web …
Rad’s a troll, he comes here, consistently gets humiliated, disappears for a short time, re-appears as if nothing happened, continues to troll. rinse and repeat.
gee, rad’s gone awful quiet now after DeanL supplied the real climate link, perhaps he is frantically searching the web
DeaniaL link doesn’t change anything.
The problem with the article is that it doesn’t address the issue already related to computer modelling for climate predictions as highlighted in Newscientist.
Sachs suggested that modellers have in the past soft-pedalled on the uncertainties in their models, in order to make their case that climate change was real.
Furthermore, existing models cannot mimic many of the key features of the existing climate system. Atlantic hurricanes and European droughts to El Niño’s and the ice ages all elude their algorithms
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13855
Which comes back to the principle of falsefication given this admission from scientists.
Some scientists at the meeting queried whether computing power is what is needed most, while many aspects of the climate system remain poorly understood
And so RadP changes to a completely different aspect of the debate to avoid facing the fact that he didn’t know what he was talking about in relation to climate and chaos.
You’re a first class twit, RadP.
And so RadP changes to a completely different aspect of the debate to avoid facing the fact that he didn’t know what he was talking about in relation to climate and chaos
And once again DeaniaL proves his stupidity.
There has been NO change in the topic. I have argued all along the relationship between the theory of Chaos, the principle of falsification and how that impacts on AGW and future climate predictions.
Surprise, surprise DeaniaL, future climate prediction come from?
You guessed it, computer modelling!
Also if the computer modelling is not accurate, this would be because?
Scientist don’t yet fully understand all the aspects of the climatic system.
One of the major causes of us not yet understanding all aspect of the climatic system?
Because it is governed by the theory of chaos.
here’s the working link Rad mentions above
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13855-climate-scientists-call-for-their-own-manhattan-project.html
Jeffrey Sachs is an economist and his quote “suggests” i.e it is his opinion. It’s not science.
The ‘admisssion’ from scientists is nothing new rad – whilst no scientist would deny the theory of evolution, there are still many things that remain poorly understood.
Ditto for a whole range of scientific disciplines.
I note the article does not mention chaos theory at all – have the goal-posts been shifted again?
The ‘admisssion’ from scientists is nothing new rad – whilst no scientist would deny the theory of evolution, there are still many things that remain poorly understood
But your analogy is flawed. We are not talking about Climate Change as a whole, rather a singular cause of climate change. No one is disputing climate change happens, rather a cause of climate change which you claim is AGW.
For your analogy with evolution it would be like predicting a specific cause of evolution, not that evolution occurs.
Like climate change, it is almost impossible to predict with accuracy a singular cause that resulted in an evolutionary process. For example, the singular cause of humans evolving into our current species.
I note the article does not mention chaos theory at all – have the goal-posts been shifted again?
It seem that it is you that is trying to change the goal-posts with your flawed analogies.
Yet another circle completed:
That’s the trouble with debating with people like Bolt and his followers – they’re too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
As I said, RadP, you can prove yourself wrong, all you have to do is do the reading.
You’ll always be a dumbarse but at least you could try to overcome a bit of your self-imposed ignorance.
But I know you won’t.
“they’re too stupid to realise how stupid they are.”
Like truthman, calling Tobias a nitwit then failing to properly spell the word ‘equation’. What a tool!
Come back when you’ve finished your degree RadMatt.
“they’re too stupid to realise how stupid they are.”
I think that James Hansen can now be added to the list of those that are so stupid.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hansen_september_the_hottest_october/
“I have argued all along the relationship between the theory of Chaos, the principle of falsification and how that impacts on AGW and future climate predictions.” – Pip
Does this mean anything?
It’s hard to know if it’s the grammar or the underlying thinking that’s at fault.
I’d go for both.
While I admit I know nothing about Chaos theory, nor am I a scientist so my understanding of complex science is not very good.
It seems to me from what I’ve seen from science, history, ice cores and all that stuff that when CO2 increases in the atmosphere the temperature on earth rises. Mankind seems to be pumping CO2 out at an incredible and ever increasing rate, does that not make the temperature increase on earth, or am I missing something.
Seems to me it is a good thing to reduce pollution to make industry and society more efficient, from my observation most industries seem to agree, even most energy companies. The sceptics/deniers, whatever they’re called, I just don’t understand, seems like they take the contrary position for the sake of argument.
“The sceptics/deniers, whatever they’re called, I just don’t understand, seems like they take the contrary position for the sake of argument.”
The sceptics are fine, they’re people like you and me who don’t fully understand the science but are prepared to defer to those that do. It seems to me to be smart to err on the side of caution, even if the AGW advocates are wrong we’ll save money, reduce waste and cut pollution. (A good thing as you’ve pointed out.)
If Bolt were a scientist, hell, if Bolt could perform simple arithmetic and bother to use a spell check before posting he’d have a little bit more than the zero credibility he has on the subject.
Bolt is a denier, a denier that has no credentials when it comes to science.
Bolt is a denier, a denier that has no credentials when it comes to science
Said like a true religious zealot. Maybe you should enact a Spanish inquisition to flush out and punish all those climate change infidels. Maybe we can burn them at the stake.
“Said like a true religious zealot.”
Which bit? I thought I was being pragmatic and agnostic….
Sticking up for Bolt again Rad? LOL, and there you were boasting about your great education, didn’t do you much good did it!
Rad, considering your criticism of my post it would be safe to assume that you take an opposite stance, ie it is good to waste and pollute. Or do you agree with me and you were just being your usual trollish self?
Which is it?
I love how Rad stays well away from any discussion of the specifics of Bolt’s posts, but then jumps on anyone who dares call him a “denier”.
Look at his post today, Rad – he gave a completely distorted presentation of someone else’s commentary to make it look like they were cherry-picking data. If you want to argue that he is not a denier, then explain why he does such things.
TZ – Spot on. Even the sheep cannot counter any argument put up in there so they resort to either personal abuse, Teh Left abuse or the debunked 31,000 scientist bull shit.
He clearly cherry picked as he and Tim did about Flannery in the post I did. Even when you pointed it out to him he still claims he did not.
It just shows how low he will go. Watch for a “19 degrees hotter in 2019″ Column over the next week.
Why hasn’t he commented about the editor at the Hun getting the arse??
“While I admit I know nothing about Chaos theory, nor am I a scientist so my understanding of complex science is not very good.”
same with me. but what is different between you/me and bolt is we don’t publish graphs that suggest rising sea levels, rising temperature and say they mean something else. we don’t claim there’s no global warming because the last 10 years buck the trend of the past 150. we don’t pay out on actual scientiests who are qualified and expert in the field when we have no such expertise to justify our claims.
bolt is a fraud and a liar. and rad you are clearly deluded if you continue to support his ridiculous distortions and misrepresentations.
Rad responds to the well thought through and conservative take on climate change that Ron and Rob provided with…
“Maybe you should enact a Spanish inquisition to flush out and punish all those climate change infidels. Maybe we can burn them at the stake.”
…a paranoid rant.
Who sounds more like the “religious zealot” Rad?
Matt is a troll who will say anything in order to advance his argument. It doesn’t matter if he contradicts himself, it doesn’t matter if there is no consistency to his argument, and it doesn’t matter if he is conclusively proved wrong by another poster.
He will continue to simply troll here at this site, refusing to admit error and changing the subject whenever backed into a corner. It is no different to his behaviour at Lefty’s place.
He also seems to go home at about 2pm (it was the same when he posted as Mighty Matt) so you won’t get responses from him after that time.
Still – he keeps the comments ticking along so he does serve at least one useful purpose.
Tobias, that stuff about the NZ Nationals’ environment policy is golden. The wingnuts have been toasting the election result, notably the hemorrhoids at AWH and surrounds. I guess they haven’t read the Warminist Policy.
“Said like a true religious zealot. Maybe you should enact a Spanish inquisition to flush out and punish all those climate change infidels. Maybe we can burn them at the stake.”
Said like a true juvenile Boltard. Your comment is exactly the type of moronic idiocy, which, along with all the absurdly childish nonsense that Bolt et al try to drag into the AGW discussion, clearly demonstrates that the real zealotry, ideology and religious-type conviction, primarily exists amongst those with the AGW denialist belief system.
I admit that “denialist” is probably not a completely adequate word to describe the ideology of those who dismiss the threat of AGW, but the denailsts certainly represent a cohesive movement, blindly following a faith. They have nothing to do with scepticism.
Only idiots, out rightly dismiss the threat of AGW, and then try too paint those that are concerned about it, with all the sorts of absurd caricatures that have been dreamed up on right-wing blog sites. And only an even great idiot does so, and then calls themselves a sceptic.
the hypocrisy and disgust of bolt and his sheep is never more evident than with the obama victory and his view of aboriginals.
on 6th nov he published “Where’s our own Obama?” suggesting black australia only produced the patrick dodsons of the world who represent the ‘victim mentality’, conveniently brushing over the generations of aborigines (including dodson) who protested against racist discriminatory laws and had real achievements for their people.
on 7th nov he publishes “How Obama really heals” in which he states:
“Admire Obama. We need heroes, so hold him up as the inspiration to at last look beyond race to character.”
obama’s victory is to be acknowledged, presumably because of the symbolism it represents for black americans. look beyond race people, look for the character.
but on on 9th nov he publishes “Stolen or rejected?” another aboriginal bashing exercise dressed up as name 10. bolt says this of a victim:
“And why Wallace was removed at eight from her mother is never actually explained. Note that the Federal Court in the Gunner-Cubillo test case could find no evidence that children in the Northern Territory were stolen just because they were black.”
character anyone? and what the fuck does the cubillo/gunner case have to do with wallace? because the removal was never explained is EXACTLY the issue here for many aborigines who were taken from their familys.
and today it’s “Stealing our history” another pot shot at aboriginals who were stolen, and the movie that brings these stories to life about which bolt says this:
“The reporter didn’t explain why exactly Wallace had been taken – or given away. And here’s some context the reporter failed to detail. As the Alice Springs News reported, Wallace later went back to her mother and found she really wasn’t wanted. Said Wallace: “It really hurt me badly. I thought, she doesn’t want me, I won’t worry about her. It was a really big thing to be rejected by someone who was supposed to be your mother.” Such are the sad, flat facts of the “stolen generations”. No wonder it takes a Nicole Kidman to give this myth life. And so is our history invented. ”
flat facts. yes let’s gloss over this woman’s suffering solely because it is another supposed nuggett in bolt’s war on the stolen generations. and in fact it isn’t really about suffering and people being kept from the family, it’s really about nicole kidman and the fact that she’s a dreaded “artist”. fuck off andy.
why is it that bolt can feel the significance of obama’s victory to african americans, demanding australia produce an obama of our own, yet is so indifferent to the suffering of the first australians, people like wallace who has face heartache in her search for family, wanting instead to denigrate their efforts to have their story heard? and if you can be bothered to read the comments, his sheep have nothing but praise for obama’s victory, but in the patrick dodson post nobody says anything good about his achievement. is it any wonder australia can’t produce an obama of our own?
digsuting far right racist pricks!!!
After browsing this site for the last hour or so, I can only say that I’ve never come across such a more complete bunch of foul mouthed, immature, intolerant people in my life.
You define yourselves by an idiot like Andrew Bolt, and yet the ugliness and dare I say it evilness displayed on here far outweighs anything on his pathetic blog.
You all really need to step back and have a look at what you are really about.
As they say, no-one know how’s to hate like the left, yet I wouldn’t want to smear them with linking them to what’s expressed on this blog.